Am 19.02.2018 um 20:05 schrieb Richard Brown:
Unless we seriously are considering leaving vendors like Open Source Press unable to produce DVD's and giving up on the idea of giving away DVDs at conferences, then we're not talking about changing the source medium, but adding another option.
are "fluid-soundfont-gm-3.1-lp150.1.2.noarch.rpm" and "fluid-soundfont-gs-3.1-lp150.1.2.noarch.rpm" needed for a polished desktop experience? If not, dropping them from the DVD will free 116MB on the DVD. I'd guess (educated... I have done some computations ;) that XFCE needs around 30MB on the DVD (if GNOME and all its supporting libraries are already included). I have no real idea about the LXDE sizes, but I think it would be easy to include both LXDE and XFCE and still stay below the size limit if we were willing to get rid of fluid-soundfont-*.
Your above statements neglect the great work our awesome openSUSE KDE and openSUSE GNOME teams do working together.
They still are refining KDE and GNOME, two choices that are not being acceptable to a growing number of users. This is not a bashing of the openSUSE KDE and GNOME teams, it is just a reality that more and more users do not want to use these desktop offerings. I know because I am the openSUSE XFCE Team (together with Takashi), and I'm getting an increasing amount of bug reports, partly for stuff that was broken for quite some time. I'm not a twitter user, so I cannot do as sophisticated market analysis as you, but I have done a quick poll around my family. 1 GNOME user, 7 XFCE users. KDE: 0% GNOME: # 12.5% XFCE: ####### 87.5% LXDE: 0% So the case is clear IMHO ;-)
That seems counterproductive, especially when the issue at hand is a DE which no longer fits on our installation media
It would fit. *if* we would think about dropping texlive from the DVD, we could package all the desktop environments in the world. Do a poll. Count the number of users of each Desktop. Then count the number of users of texlive. And the number of users of fluid-soundfont. (Disclaimer: I am a texlive user. I'd still consider texlive users a minority) Now that texlive is so modular, we could also just not put everything of it onto the DVD. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org