On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:11:36 +0200 Richard Brown <RBrownCCB@opensuse.org> wrote:
I've done my best to collate all of your feedback and asses the feedback thusly
For: 17.5 people Against: 3 people (4 if I count Fabian's in person feedback) Unclear (on the fence/both equally bad/talking about adding features not on the table): 9 people
This obviously means there is a majority that support this change.
Due to the high number of unclear feedback though, I wanted to weight people's responses to make sure I looked at this thread from more than one point of view. As this would be a wide-ranging change, I felt a lot of peoples responses weren't very helpful when they were only talking about their own personal usecase and not considering the wider users project. Therefore went through everyone's responses and applied an additional weight of +0.5 for all responders who demonstrated they had considered an opinion beyond their own personal use cases.
In this case, the numbers become: For: 20.5 Against: 4 (or 5 incl. Fabian) Unclear: 11.5
Still showing a clear body of support for this change beyond those who disagree or have a more nuanced view on the topic.
With these numbers in hand, I've just discussed this with Leap & Tumbleweed's release managers and based on their feedback the current plan is
- It'a almost certain that there will be no change on the current behaviour for Leap 15.0; Although we could do it, any late change bring risks. Many of the negative and unclear comments on this thread helped identify the nature of those risks. Even if I am reasonably confident that many of those risks will not apply, I concur that the benefits of this change probably don't justify risking Leap 15 being a smooth and happy release. We've lived for years without this behaviour without major concerns.
- Tumbleweed will likely adopt this change in the coming weeks. I won't be rushing my submission to the changes (I already have changes the transactional server system role on the way and wait to wait for them to land before proposing more). openQA should be enough to ensure that nothing outright breaks, and our ability to tweak, tune, or revert things quickly based on user feedback will mean we can address peoples concerns as/when/if they bear fruit.
- Assuming things go well in Tumbleweed, users can probably expect this behaviour of NM by default for Desktop roles in Leap 15.1
Thanks all for your feedback
Hi Richard, it makes sense for me to try it first at TW. Especially even if it looks like installer already support changing network manager proposal in roles, we don't try it yet, so you can find bugs. Same can be if there is higher demand for simple network proposal in overview page where people can one-click change from NM to wicked and vice versa. So YaST team will have time to do it before 15.1 if there is high enough interest. Josef -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org