On 19 February 2018 at 15:59, Liam Proven <lproven@suse.com> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:34:55 +0100 Ludwig Nussel <ludwig.nussel@suse.de> wrote:
Even if we'd go for eg. an 8GB USB image exclusively or in addition, we'd still have a similar discussion in picking an 8GB subset of the 35GB we have online.
Forgive me if this is an FAQ or anything...
But surely at least _one_ possible answer to this would be for OpenSUSE to do what Ubuntu and Fedora have already done, and switch to offering separate "remixes" or "spins" for each desktop that's included in the greater distribution?
AIUI this is essentially a matter of metadata and it should thus be somewhat amenable to automation.
So if the hypothetical user clicks a download link for OpenSUSE Leap, say, they get a choice:
* KDE * GNOME * Xfce * LXDE * Cinnamon * Maté
And that's it. If you don't want one of the pre-configured desktops, you download the network installation image and pick your own packages.
The Ubuntu model is to "outsource" development of most of these to the community -- the official mainstream distro only offers GNOME. That's what has currently happened with Gecko Linux, AFAICS:
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Hi Liam, Your proposed approach would necessitate that we test each one of those spins comparably. That would be a rather dramatic increase in our required test coverage. That would require a significant investment from more community testers, and probably more testing hardware. It would probably also increase the workload on both OBS and our Release Engineers (more things to go wrong with each media) I think Ubuntu and Fedora can get away with it because they don't try to run their Projects in a way where the community shape it's very nature. Their corporate overlords can declare a default and all the rest have to deal with it. I see the Ubuntu and Fedora way as being highly inefficient - forcing the fragmentation of their community and creating double work - Our model requires us to find ways of working together - which has proven to be of significant benefit to our KDE & GNOME offerings in particular. But even if I did agree with that approach, the fact is that for openSUSE I would prefer not open a discussion about focusing on a single desktop environment first All indications are that no DE in openSUSE has a majority of our userbase (eg. https://twitter.com/sysrich/status/947169171632205826 ) So the best outcome I could expect from following this train of thought would be pissing off the majority of our userbase with whatever decision we could come up with. The best I think we can do is perhaps consider defining objective criteria for '1st tier' desktop environments and '2nd tier' desktop environments, to give the teams involved a more clear set of guidelines on how to be sure they are seen at the forefront of the Project's offerings. But no, no spins for us please..I don't like that model at all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org