Hi again,
On 7 December 2015 at 20:10, Felix Miata
...Do not use words like "horrific" which is a statement of opinion, not a matter of fact.
Horrific is an experience, an observation, considerably worse than merely unfortunate or bad.
My advice stands - if this is a bug report, or a review for discussion, starting it with 'horrific' in the title is not going to endear either a maintainer to fix the bug(s) for you or the community to discuss your observations in a positive manner. It's good advice, I implore you to follow it.
Speaking of QA, how does a (TW) release user relate whatever openQA is to problem solving? https://en.opensuse.org/Special:Search for openqa doesn't turn up anything among the 6 hits that looks helpful.
that are working fine. So details about your hardware, such as the exact video card you have, should be considered mandatory. Comparing the video card you actually have with the one detected by YaST might be a helpful troubleshooting step.
I'm pretty sure the OP attachment included all relevant hardware info.
It's bad practice to send attachments to a mailinglist - and in my case I filter them all out as a force of habit.
You're complaining by your overall response both about too much detail and too little detail.
Correct. For a 'review' or a 'point of discussion' I think your original post was excessive in detail and actually neglecting to make any point, or raise any questions, bit of a dead end really As a bug report, it's missing sufficient detail - you admit this yourself "After such a lengthy frustration period, details and recollection fade away."
Being tired has its effect. Does one compile and send what one can remember before more time passes trying to recuperate and more is forgotten?
If you do not have sufficient detail to make a mailinglist post that conveys what need to be conveyed, then my advice is to not make a mailinglist post.. anything else is wasting everyone's time here.
The installation was built up from a minimal X install. PA was not prevented from being installed. Anything that depends on *pulse* should have been pulled in automatically when that thing was installed.
If you wanted a working KDE desktop installation, why didn't you install the KDE option during install? Starting from Minimal X and manually stepping up from there is exactly the kind of important detail that was lacking in your original post. Now it's important that you list exactly how you added stuff after your Minimal X installation. Which patterns? Exactly which repositories were installed before you picked those patterns? Those details are important. If you don't have them, then this thread is as much of a waste of time as an insufficient bugzilla entry would be (and I agree, it does seem that you're lacking sufficient information for a bugzilla entry)
...This is opensuse-factory, not opensuse-soapbox
TW morphed opensuse-factory into a user list. Sometimes soapboxing happens in user lists, where it hopefully draws some useful discussion, possibly even help.
Tumbleweed has enabled and does encorage more people to read and use these lists. That doesn't excuse posts like yours, which do not follow good principles like the ones I shared in my original, which start with emotional statements, are missing key details, and ultimately are lacking in a point. In fact, it makes posts like your original one more problematic, it's not just your time and developers time you're wasting, but all the additional people who now use this list. It's more important than every that everyone takes the individual responsibility to ensure that their mailinglist traffic to this list is relevant to all of the users on this list. This is the mailinglist for technical discussions regarding the development of Tumbleweed and Leap. Your post had significant flaws which turns it into a rant, instead of potentially a productive start of a useful conversation. I have given you advice to change that. Instead you have chosen to waste everyones time even more and argue every point with me. Please think again and realise that posts like your original don't really help, and take my advice so your next ones can be useful. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org