On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Hans Witvliet
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:26 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
The use of USB sticks is really not something to be seriously considered. Not everyone has the ability to use this medium.
percentage?
However, there is little difference cost-wise or effort-wise between having to burn a CD and a blank single-layer DVD.
I am NOT talking here about releasing 4.3GB of data to fill a SL DVD but saying that if the volume of data to be downloaded by users is only marginally greater then what would fit on a standard CD then there wouldn't be a problem.
In fact there were a few LIVEs "CD"s recently which I had to burn to a DVD.
Downloading ~800MB to be burnt onto a DVD is acceptable - but not downloading 4.3GB.
Discussion was more about 1GB instead of 700 or 800MB...
Allthough i'm in favour of live-images of 1GB there is one risk: With repair or netboot images the incentive to keep the image small is obvious. Just like cd 700MB limitation of a cdrom.
When that limitation is removed, there might be a tendency that for 12.2 the live image is 800MB, the next 1GB, next one 1.5GB. If not careful we end up with a live-blu-ray, live-data-centre or a live-cloud ;-))
hans
Exactly! Yes, the trend is for optical media to vanish. But for 12.2 there's a commitment for the four media previously delivered: NET Install that fits on a Mini CD, GNOME and KDE that fit on a 700MB CD and an install DVD that fits on a 4.7 GB DVD. That's what we should ship for 12.2 even if it means making some sacrifices of lesser used packages. We *have* popularity data; I've seen the rankings in SUSE Studio. So I know there are packages we can axe to get things to fit the committed formats. For the next release, there's lots of discussion, including discussion of the release / schedule strategy. My proposal is to switch to a Debian-style "release when we are stable" for at least the LAMP stack and other server-level components - Perl, Python/DJango, Ruby/Rails/Sinatra/WebYast and PostgreSQL. For more active upstream components, like Node.js, NoSQL databases, compilers, desktops and applications, I like the Tumbleweed approach - lag upstream as little as possible without breaking installed systems or introducing dependency nightmares. For release media, I'd favor a "Puppy Linux" sized MiniCD with IceWM or maybe OpenBox and NET install and 1GB and 4GB LiveUSB images, eliminating the 700 MB and 4.7 GB media.
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