On 9 May 2015 at 14:42, Martin Schlander <martin.schlander@gmail.com> wrote:
Richard himself showed about 11.000 Tumbleweed users, and ~150.000 13.2 downloads in the presentation. The presentation even showed growth for 13.2 compared to 13.1.
Users, yes. But the graph for 'contributors to the Regular Release' is a very different story. and its the desire and momentum of contributors actually contributing to getting a Regular Release out that we need to consider when we talk about doing one.
Which group of users is this? The people running CentOS and Debian Stable today? I.e. a few server users who don't need contemporary applications and hardware support (I'm still not convinced about the SLE base supporting recent consumer desktop hardware, especially not 2-4 years from now).
The main complaint about the current openSUSE releases from the "stability crowd", is the lifetime in my opinion, and that would largely adressed by going to a 12 month release cycle, equaling 26 month lifetime (2 releases+2 months).
I really doubt too many users will be willing to trade package availability, up-to-date applications and hardware support for the bit of extra stability from the SLE base. Particularly if the difference in lifetime is not huge (26 months vs. "at least 36 months")
The majority of our user base - look at Alberto's presentation from oSC 13 that shows the actual user numbers of our repositories, and how lots of people keep on older versions for a lot longer than we say they should https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfohZ8RBd8
I doubt you can attract packagers to work on this thing. Not Tumbleweed packagers. In my experience even Debian packagers aren't to enthusiastic about working on Debian Stable or backporting stuff to such an old base.
I think you're wrong here.. I was having some very interesting conversations with the KDE team last night, and they were coming up with all kind of ideas of doing very exciting things ontop of this. We have the tools, talent, and expetise to do things that no other distribution can even consider - openSUSE-based-on-SLE with official 'add-on modules' for Desktops for example (eg. KDE:Current, or GNOME:Stable)? So the desktops can move at a pace that suits the community, while the core doesn't change? These are exciting ideas which I think might work to address your doubts and turn this idea for a Regular Release into something exceptional - We need to avoid falling into the trap of thinking of this 'like a Debian' or 'like a CentOS' - We're openSUSE, let's build something which only we can do. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org