On 23 November 2015 at 11:25, Sergey Kondakov <virtuousfox@gmail.com> wrote:
On 23.11.2015 14:53, Richard Brown wrote:
Glad you're happy
Yes. it's implimented
No, we're not going to slow down Tumbleweed in order to optimise for unofficial repositories. Read Coolos blog post to learn how to best cope https://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/16/how-we-use-our-power/
I will but that's another unnecessary artificial problem for you most technically apt users. After all, normal people don't use rolling releases but tech-maniacs who do need those releases to help them in their work.
You say that you "not going to slow down Tumbleweed". But what Tumbleweed users, most extreme openSUSE nerds, would actually want more: more flexible and package-rich system in general or updates just few days earlier ?
In the last year, the pace of Tumbleweed has accelerated, to the point now where we start moaning that things are 'slow' when we 'only' update it two or three times a week During that time, we've seen Tumbleweed's userbase almost double http://i.imgur.com/UnuN1et.png I'd say we're on the right track. If Tumbleweed contributors want to do things differently, they can contribute to make things differently.. shouting from the sidelines doesn't count.
I'm not asking to go full-Ubuntu on our non-volatile storages but that stuff seems really unnecessary stingy.
If you want a stable (stable as in changing less often) openSUSE option, we have openSUSE Leap for those people.
Guess that's a fair point. But not exactly then things are broken for non-corporates without actual necessity for your benefit, almost on a whim.
There is nothing 'corporate' in this..Tumbleweed is a project by it's contributors, for it's contributors and everyone else who wants to use it.
I do consider it, but I can't do it when I have to deal with more pressing problems. Like breakage previously and now "constant rebuilds and blocks". That wastes time that I and anyone could use for "following good packaging practices".
Why do you have to fight with your active users ? How about focusing on common goals of "the Project" and its users ?
I am not sure I can really consider you an 'active user'..you are building your own distribution, and then screaming loudly when things are not as easy as they could be. I am somewhat sympathetic, but ultimately you have been rude, demanding, and I have not seen any contributions from you for these OBS issues which affect your distribution. Besides the issue with Factory:snapshot (which I and everyone agreed with you that it should be fixed, and now it is), I also haven't heard any convincing arguments why your other issues have a broad, project wide, implication.. if they did, I'm sure other people would be working on fixing the issues with you.. in which case this thread would be totally useless...
But it's still not a valid argument for a FOSS project.
Here's the first thing you need to learn about working in a real FOSS Project - If you want something fixed, either fix it yourself, or find someone to fix it for you. Screaming about it isn't going to help you fix it, and isn't likely to help you find people to fix it for you. In any FOSS project, it's perfectly reasonable for people to say that they disagree with you, as I do, and perfectly reasonable for people to say they wont do additional work to help you, as I won't. Neither prevents you from fixing things yourself, and neither should be considered a blocker for others from helping you - but I suspect you're doing a good enough job of alienating those who would be otherwise suitably skilled in assisting you. My advice would be to pause, step back, and consider if you really expect anyone here to help you with your continuing tone and baseless rhetoric. - Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org