Dear list, I am not a subscriber but follow you since Gregs first TW and am a loving 12+ years suse user. Still, I am not an admin nor a dev, just a bloody user == noob. In light of the (third recent) discussion about zypper up / dup I want to sumarize the results. And I want to beg you to take actions on them, to make suse more noob-friendly - because noobs may become the future suse devs. Here my humble wishlist which applies for TW & Leap: - during installation or directly after the installation (e.g. via a desktop-icon named "upgrade multimedia / codecs"): let the user opt-in to packman-repo via asking him if he needs full multimedia capabilities (currently this is hidden in "yast / repos / add community repo" and only available for 13.2) - when opting-in to packman: automagically add packman with a 98 priority & allow vendor change once & automatically apply zypper up or dup afterwards (those more knowledgable should still be enabled to change priority / vendor change of course; this is about sane defaults for noobs) - install recommends: only once during installation as default - automatically update/grade the OS daily: by executing zypper up or dup in the background (via cron-job or graphical utility?) AFAIK apper still cannot propose solutions for conflicts and thus might not be feasible for this job. - Require minimal user intervention for the update/grade: require sudo password if new software is installed, but not when existing software is updated; but let the user know if he needs to restart or log-off. - partialy unrelated: let flash stay for the noobs, those more knowledgable can uninstall / block it - what can I contribute? I would love to update the wiki accordingly Please do it for us noobs. Remember, noobs can become future suse-admins. The more we attract, the higher the chance. I love suse. Cheers, tomtomme -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org