* Simon Lees
On 10/17/19 1:04 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Simon Lees
[10-16-19 20:03]: On 10/17/19 10:25 AM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2019-10-17 01:03, Simon Lees wrote:
[1.3] "The grouping made yast something of a "Things to Explore" guide to the packages it had." [1.9] "I'm using the rpm Group tag as a way to index software in Package Hub" [1.4] "I use the group index to find software I might be interested in."
It should be pointed out that before the removal became possible both yast and packagehub have been migrated to use alternate mechanisms so i'm not sure how much weight these arguments have.
It should also be pointed out that
* I believe yast does not use any "alternate mechanism", because the browse-by-group feature was killed off there.
It still has a "Package-Group" view that is doing something atleast on my tumbleweed install maybe that's a bug.
* packagehub looks like a SLE-specific thing, meaning the SLE guys sometimes do things different, but me I am interested in the openSUSE ways.
* Coincidentally, packagehub uses the same approach as rpm-catalog for turning classic groups into tags.
* Moreover, packagehub also has a "Unspecified" category with already 16 packages in it. This strongly suggests it also relies on the RPM Group line.
Either way those that want to see groups removed have been working with the yast and package hub teams to do so
so they took it upon themselves to invoke a unilateral action. somehow that flies in the face of a cooperative effort.
have we been taken over, a coup perhaps. maybe a solution to leadership by committee.
continuation down this path will definitely solve the problem of selecting a name for the coming (or not) foundation.
Well as can be read from some of the previous threads on this topic here they rightly or wrongly believed they had a general consensus of developers in the project with the exception of Jan.
It does raise a question of whether a consensus should be all developers which is really hard, most developers or just a majority of developers. If someone proposes a change and only 2-3 out of nearly 500 developers (going off aprox member numbers) object at the same time we should encourage anyone to be able to work on whatever they want which is easy to do in isolated components but much harder to do when its something that spreads right across the distro.
and most of the dev's are concerned with a very small sub-set of packages rather than object which define the openSUSE distro and you are correct that they deserver a certain ownership/freedom, but changes with far reaching affect, no so much. I believe I read almost an even break on the subject. I cannot believe defining it a consensus is possible. in fact, I do not understand posing the question if the action was aready determined, as it appears. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org