Hi, During the conference and also before in communication to developers I very often heard the argument that they don't read opensuse-factory because it's so high traffic. Many postings I see actually belong to opensuse-testing or even directly into bugzilla, but many have no better home atm. So I see the need for 3 communication channels, that can be the same: - A list for development, where upcoming changes are discussed, where developers can either announce changes or where we discuss who helps with what features. - A list where to announce issues every factory user might hit. This affects broken repositories, broken kernel updates, broken grub. This does _not_ affect broken KDE, broken GNOME, broken applications - those have a better place in opensuse-kde, opensuse-gnome, opensuse-testing - A list where users can discuss (with developers) on how features are implemented, provide their feedback, etc. All those 3 are currently opensuse-factory and from what I see many developers ignore it because mainly the last point increases the volume of this list. (450 posts in june, 506 in july, 861 in august, 1001 last november :) So while this is not a desaster volume, I think we should still discuss if there are better ways to setup our communication. I see three options: 1. make opensuse-factory moderated for a while and make people that abuse opensuse-factory not to subscribe to -kde, -gnome or -testing - or even worse report bugs. 2. split out opensuse-devel where posts without problem analysis are clearly offtopic. 3. split out opensuse-factory-users where there is no limit (basically a suboption of 1) My preference would be 2, it would create the least problems and my hope would be that this list is low traffic enough to auto subscribe everyone doing submitrequests to factory :) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org