Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/08/30 11:26 (GMT+0200) Stephan Binner apparently typed:
On Friday 29 August 2008 18:45:28 Felix Miata wrote:
Until https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152761 is fixed there's no way many of us can consider using KDE4.
That's a perfect example of what will not prevent the discussed move: command lines (esp. many of them at same time) are mainly used by sophisticated people and I expect those to be able to install and use Konsole/KDE3.
You know the root meaning of "assume", right? An assumption is what your statement implies, an unwarranted one at that. I'm not that sophisticated, probably the opposite, not being versed in shell scripting at all. That doesn't make Konsole any less useful to me.
It's easier to use Konsole than the triple key combination required to get to a virtual console, the natural home of OFMs, which is what I use to do all my routine file & system maintenance chores (typically MC). The non-routine ones I do with YaST2. Therefore, I keep at least one MC session open in Konsole, another tab for simple one liners (so that I don't have to keep opening "run command" and having the results instantly disappear from the idiotic default to not keep window open on completion of the command), and a third for top. On another virtual desktop I have another Konsole open for tailing various logs. I like having all those things in the same places/tabs always (order), instead of the separate windows that KDE strews about seemingly at random according to whatever else is open (chaos).
There's also the other problem of figuring out how to get KDE3 after a fresh install after not wasting space installing the unwanted Gnome & incomplete, buggy, beta KDE. I use YaST and/or Smart GUI for such things. Without one of those, how does one figure out what package or packages are required to get a familiar, traditional, complete KDE3 desktop? Curses YaST, while better than nothing, is no fun. People should need it just because they don't like Gnome or KDE betas guised as ready for prime time.
Indeed, without YaST2, why SUSE at all? I might as well just pick whatever distro that offers KDE3 easily, and keep on efficiently doing things the way I'm used to, instead of being forced to waste time learning a "new & improved" system that leaves out tools I depend on and simplifies away the ability to get some things done at all.
Well said!! If there's not KDE 3.5 included in the next openSUSE release and FULL support for it, then GUARANTEED - flat out FACT, there will be a mass exodus to KUbutu! KDE 4.1 ISN'T, no way, and WON'T be able to replace KDE 3.5 with all it's configurability, and applications! KDE 4 STILL has the misfortune of not being able to do something as simple as hid the task bar, let alone a whole LONG list of other "switches" that users have come to love and depend on. Presently, one can't even update KDE4 without loosing the ability to even logon! Fred -- "Security" in Windows comes from patching a sieve. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org