Once again, this KDE3 vs KDE4 discussion has degenerated into a bunch of name calling and other things that are not doing anything to help anyone on this list. The OP asked US what our thoughts were on what should happen with KDE3 in 11.1. 1. Some of us feel that 11.1 should include KDE 3.x IF KDE 4.x isn't completely ready as a replacement. This is OUR opinion. We have tried to use KDE4 and have found that it is sorely lacking when compared to KDE3. I personally would welcome KDE4 IF it can deliver what I need in a desktop. It's supposed to be faster, use less memory, and allow for the future. I have not found it to be faster. I have found it to be full of bling and useless stuff that I could care less about. I have found it to be slower and my workhorse machines. 2. Some people have found that KDE4 is very useful out of the box. Good for them. At least they are happy with it. 3. Some have found that once they've updated to to v4.1, Which I'm willing to bet that most users have NOT done, that it's a lot better. 4. Some have found that they have had to do a lot of work to make it usable. Therefore, we have a lot of different viewpoints as to where KDE4 is at and whether it is ready to be a complete replacement for KDE3. I personally favor waiting for 4.2 IF it will be a complete replacement for 3.x. However, some feel that the distro should not wait just for one component, and while that's a good point, in my opinion it's worth the wait because it's such a large part of the system. It's not like Firefox3, which was released just a few days past 11.0 and was an easy update. KDE is a major part of the system, and I feel that it would be worth the wait IF it will give us a more complete and stable system. That's my opinion on the matter. Some may agree and some will not. Hpefully we can get back to a more productive discussion now. Thanx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org