On Fri, 2019-07-19 at 08:30 -0500, simonizor wrote:
On Friday, July 19, 2019 8:22:26 AM CDT, Richard Brown wrote:
Sure, you do not need to contribute.
But then don't demean and deminish the work of people who do the work you dont have the time or the inclination to do, and then share the proceeds of their work with you, for free.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. This right here makes it feel like anyone who has a complaint had best be willing to step up and maintain things. Just last night when I told someone to make a complaint about how slow the kernels were being released, I was met with the reply "And be told to contribute? No thanks". I am not at all demeaning anything by complaining about how things are going. If every time someone has a complaint, you're just going to tell them to contribute, eventually people are just going to stop making complaints. I have seen this first hand.
That doesn't mean your posts are not welcome, but consider the tone and the content of your posts and ensure they convey the feelings and respect you wish to the volunteers you are dependant on.
I'm sorry, but my tone was not rude or demanding. I simply was letting y'all know how frustrated something like this makes me.
Sorry to burst your bubble and pour cold water on your enflamed passions, but this isn't opensuse-therapy@opensuse.org This is a technical mailinglist, for the technical people building openSUSE, who are motivated by their own reasons to contribute to spend their spare time doing stuff in openSUSE. If your frustration is not enough to motivate you to contribute, then how is it remotely logical to expect your frustration to be enough to motivate a stranger? Your frustration is irrelevant to the vast majority of the people here.
For example, a single "simple fix" provided by a motivated volunteer is
worth more than an infinate amount of your mailinglist posts threatening to take your use of a free distribution if we don't do what you tell us.
Then make a clear call for maintainers and don't make it seem like this is a call to drop the package.
I work really hard to never critique the hard work of others as a "simple fix", unless I am absolutely willing to take on that work with or instead of them.
You are reading into things more than you should. Sorry, but this is a simple fix. Not at all a fix worth removing an entire popular desktop environment from Factory for. If this was a call for maintainers, sorry, but it should have been a bit more clear as it seems like a call to delete MATE.
I feel you are not reading enough into things. Understand how a Project of our size works. The people responsible for Tumbleweed as a whole don't care especially about one desktop environment. It is just one out of half a dozen we have in the distribution. Likewise they don't care especially for any one package out of the thousands we have in the distribution. That is why we have maintainers for that. And if it turns out we don't have maintainers who are willing to fix things when they are clearly broken for months, and if have no users who are motivated to step up and become maintainers after it being clearly broken for months, then the only rational cause of action is to consider dropping the package. It doesn't matter if that upsets one, ten, or a million non-motivated- to-contribute users. Emotion is irrelevant here. We build a distribution. We don't build broken software. That is precisely the path walked by the contributors you criticise here. MATE has been broken for a very long while. The established maintainers have done nothing about it. No users closest to the problems have done anything about it. This thread is the last chance for someone to step up. There is no need to get emotional about it, facts of life, a volunteer organisation cannot create contributions out of thin air. If you want a solution that avoids such risks, there are always options like paying people to do the work you are not willing to do. I would calmly suggest you can your emotions and reevaluate your views. If you are only prepared to complain with emotionally charged arguments, I kindly request you choose any other venue than this technical mailinglist to do so, because we have work to do here. Regards, -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team Chairman - openSUSE Phone +4991174053-361 SUSE Linux GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg GF: Felix Imendörffer, Mary Higgins, Sri Rasiah HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org