The only criteria I see, is when KDE4 will have all the features, that are missing, that were in KDE3.
Completely unrealistic target in here. If kde3 was adopted only when it had "all the features" maybe we would be on kde2 to kde3 transition. I must say KDE4 has a completely new feel, may take some time to get used, but its no different from any other WM transition I have seen. The important thing is that some basic tasks should be done (something like open a few programs, change some properties, etc), and that's mostly ok nowadays in all environments, even KDE4 (Im not using myself, Im a bit in a hurry to master it and tweak the way I like it). So basic tasks plus some stableness criteria (a bit subjective, probably As AJ mentioned (and I forgot), cost of maintaining a double environment like in 11.0 may be a medium to long time problem. Anyway, in the past, we've seen some large version transitions in short period of time (kernel 2.4 to 2.6, apache 1.3 to 2.0 oh that hurt a bit, OOo 1.1 to 2.X, etc), no more than one release of transition. So being objective, the way I see it, we've had a transition release with 11.0... the question that comes in my mind is: do we need another one? Im inclined to answer no to that question. Why? Because 11.1 will be the base for enterprise CODE11, it will be around for a long time, its for the best it has less maintainability constraints. KDE3 is in maintainance mode already (just had a release few days ago of .10), so the blood is running in KDE4, that should be clear for everyone. KDE4 and enterprise discussion is very silly. I have yet to remember the last time I have accessed an enterprise linux server and I executed gnome, kde or etc... The closest thing that happens is to run ssh -X to install oracle, or some weird GUI. If you have problems with GUI and enterprise, you are doing it wrong, sorry to be the one to open your eyes. Enterprise couldnt care less about GUI. Its time for people to stop crying and use that time to research how to get going in KDE4. If you think that's too hard, maybe you do deserve that *other* environment SUSE still offers anyway... It was made thinking exactly about you, people that have a hard time moving forward and learning stuff. Oh, this last line was mean. Now one last line: if you didnt like my email, you better start liking it right now, right in this moment. Otherwise I will never (and I say NEVER) buy chocolate cookies again. From any vendor, not even home made. Not a single one. Ever. Maybe vanilla. Marcio --- Druid --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org