On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:43:57 +1100 Aleksa Sarai <asarai@suse.de> wrote:
Several people have tried to explain it, but you've rejected every explanation offered with "it's not simple enough". I really don't know *how* you want this to be explained.
I am sorry if I am annoying people. I do not personally care. However, it seems to be something important. If it's important, shouldn't it be clearly spelled out? Because it isn't. I didn't know, and I have been working with SUSE and SUSE products since it was SuSE in 1996 or so. The current version of openSUSE has a version number that is in a direct sequence from the SUSE Linux Professional that I used back then. But here, people keep telling me it's not the same, it's different. But it doesn't actually say so anywhere. How are we supposed to know?
The reason why people are sensitive about it is that this is a community that has gone through quite a few painful transitions related to its relationship with Novell. Talking about openSUSE as a "SUSE product" is reminiscent of how Novell viewed openSUSE, so opening this can of worms in the middle of a heated thread is part of the reason why people were so unhappy with this discussion.
OK, fair enough. But that is not an excuse not for the distinction *as it exists today* between SUSE and openSUSE not to be made plain. No?
Look at this webpage:
It's a nice, smart-looking page. It's got the SUSE logo on it. It has the same corporate design as the rest of the SUSE site.
It doesn't have the SUSE logo
Look at the top left. See that chameleon logo? Now look at https://www.suse.com/ Look at the top left. Same logo. Same chameleon. The only difference is an extra word, the same extra word as was used by DEC in VMS versus OpenVMS, or in Caldera OpenLinux, or in https://www.open-xchange.com/ and lots of other places. It's a word so widely used that it doesn't have much meaning any more.
and personally the website doesn't look the same as <https://www.suse.com/> either.
Wow. I am very surprised by that. You do not consider that, for example, https://www.opensuse.org/#Leap and https://www.suse.com/products/server/ ... have similar designs?
But this argument also seems quite odd to me -- every Tom, Dick, and Harry uses Bootstrap for their websites but you don't instantly assume that every startup is a Twitter product.
To be honest, I have never even heard of it.
The list of products sold by SUSE is available here at <https://www.suse.com/products/>.
OpenSUSE is not sold. So why would it be there?
By definition, anything *not* listed here is not a SUSE product.
Whose definition? I am serious. That's what I am trying to understand. Is there a definition? Where is it? My sketchy working definition before I was told otherwise was "if it's got the word 'SUSE' in the name and a chameleon as its logo, it's a SUSE product."
The assumption that everything is a SUSE product until proven otherwise is unintuitive (to me at least).
You don't think that having the name "SUSE" in it might make people think that the free distro is from the same company as the paid ones?
An example of a SUSE tool or product would be SUSE Studio, while KIWI (which is a large component of how SUSE Studio works) is the openSUSE project that the tool is based on.
And how are we to know that? I am not trying to start a fight. I am not here for an argument for fun, and I am not in any way representing any SUSE views on this. I am here because writing stuff and explaining stuff is what I do. It's why I work here. I want to help to explain this. I will happily write such an explanation for you, so it is nice and clear and plain and others don't make the same mistake I did. But before I can explain it, I have to understand it myself. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org