On 24 October 2014 18:15, Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch> wrote:
To resume we will have a published factory under tumbleweed on download.opensuse.org Which will contain our well tested factory. a) a precise place would be nice to have btw.
The current plan is to have download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed be the home of this 'new' Tumbleweed
b) What about the update channel and the non-oss (for those who need what's inside)
Everything you currently see inside download.opensuse.org/factory, including an iso folder and repo/non-oss should be found in download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed on Nov 4. I don't see an update channel for Factory yet, I expect it to be an update channel for 'Tumbleweed' now..I'll ask Marcus/Ludwig/others in the Maintenance team what they think, thank you for raising that
And an unpublished factory, used to create the previous one on obs. a) How a dev or packager can then test it's new things with it before submitting ?
I do not believe this merger of Tumbleweed and Factory doesn't change anything in this regard. Right now a dev or a packager can build against 'unpublished Factory' (aka openSUSE Factory/standard, as used by openQA for testing) but cannot download and run it themselves This is not normally a problem, as the difference between openSUSE Factory/standard and openSUSE Factory/snapshot (the published version we all use) is usually pretty small
b) Add new "strength" here for dev,blah contributors here....
One 'strength' is that it should be easier for contributors to make it clear when they want their OBS repositories to be used by 'users' or not Standard 'Devel projects' are going to build against openSUSE Factory/standard as they do now. Users shouldn't use them, they're development, they're in progress, they're heading towards Factory. But contributors will be able to add them to their Tumbleweed installations for testing purposes just as they do now - this merger doesn't change the effectiveness of that approach at all. However, someone using OBS and building their project against openSUSE Tumbleweed is sending a clear message that their project should be used by users of the openSUSE Tumbleweed rolling release
I would say that having one or several graphics could improve understanding how the situation will be handled during the transitional and the final time.
How about this (very crudely) modified version of the current Factory development model? https://sysrich.co.uk/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=0f8bc978bb55c8f2f2... As you can see, everything stays the same, apart from the 'bit we give to users' now has a new name.
Like a timeline with the big steps.
This is how I see it happening so far (based on my discussions with Coolo, Adrian, Darix, GregKH, and others - of course, I *expect* I'm missing something, so consider this subject to change, we're a community, if you spot something we've missed, speak up!) Nov 4. openSUSE 13.2 is released download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/ becomes 'empty' (just like it would have if we weren't doing this merger) download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed goes live download.opensuse.org/factory redirects to download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed Tumbleweed users change their repositories to use the new location (either manually, or hopefully via a package delivered by openSUSE:Tumbleweed if we can build it in a sane way) Nov 4 to May 4 2015 Factory users should change their repositories to use download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed May 4 2015 download.opensuse.org/factory is removed
Also I've learn with external repositories, that better to force someone to upgrade one time.
Current Tumbleweed users will be forced to upgrade to this 'new' Tumbleweed - We're looking into ways of making it as smooth as possible (such as a package that will automatically fix their repository configuration), but they'll at the very least have to install that package or modify their repositories. Current Factory users will need to change their repositories - we won't be forcing that on Day 1, November 4th, but 6 months later we do intend to remove the Factory URL's at download.opensuse.org/factory so people will have to have moved by then
We will be able to do that right now, with the big changes, after it will become a bit more complicated no?
I think we can strike a balance between doing the big changes and keeping things smooth for as many people as possible -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org