On 24 October 2014 18:15, Bruno Friedmann <bruno(a)ioda-net.ch> wrote:
To resume we will have a published factory under
tumbleweed on download.opensuse.org
Which will contain our well tested factory.
a) a precise place would be nice to have btw.
The current plan is to have download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed
home of this 'new' Tumbleweed
b) What about the update channel and the non-oss (for
those who need what's inside)
Everything you currently see inside download.opensuse.org/factory
including an iso folder and repo/non-oss should be found in
on Nov 4.
I don't see an update channel for Factory yet, I expect it to be an
update channel for 'Tumbleweed' now..I'll ask Marcus/Ludwig/others in
the Maintenance team what they think, thank you for raising that
And an unpublished factory, used to create the
previous one on obs.
a) How a dev or packager can then test it's new things with it before submitting ?
I do not believe this merger of Tumbleweed and Factory doesn't change
anything in this regard.
Right now a dev or a packager can build against 'unpublished Factory'
(aka openSUSE Factory/standard, as used by openQA for testing) but
cannot download and run it themselves
This is not normally a problem, as the difference between openSUSE
Factory/standard and openSUSE Factory/snapshot (the published version
we all use) is usually pretty small
b) Add new "strength" here for dev,blah
One 'strength' is that it should be easier for contributors to make it
clear when they want their OBS repositories to be used by 'users' or
Standard 'Devel projects' are going to build against openSUSE
Factory/standard as they do now. Users shouldn't use them, they're
development, they're in progress, they're heading towards Factory.
But contributors will be able to add them to their Tumbleweed
installations for testing purposes just as they do now - this merger
doesn't change the effectiveness of that approach at all.
However, someone using OBS and building their project against openSUSE
Tumbleweed is sending a clear message that their project should be
used by users of the openSUSE Tumbleweed rolling release
I would say that having one or several graphics could
improve understanding how
the situation will be handled during the transitional and the final time.
How about this (very crudely) modified version of the current Factory
As you can see, everything stays the same, apart from the 'bit we give
to users' now has a new name.
Like a timeline with the big steps.
This is how I see it happening so far (based on my discussions with
Coolo, Adrian, Darix, GregKH, and others - of course, I *expect* I'm
missing something, so consider this subject to change, we're a
community, if you spot something we've missed, speak up!)
openSUSE 13.2 is released
'empty' (just like it would have if we weren't doing this merger)
redirects to download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed
Tumbleweed users change their repositories to use the new location
(either manually, or hopefully via a package delivered by
openSUSE:Tumbleweed if we can build it in a sane way)
Nov 4 to May 4 2015
Factory users should change their repositories to use
May 4 2015
Also I've learn with external repositories, that
better to force someone to upgrade one time.
Current Tumbleweed users will be forced to upgrade to this 'new'
Tumbleweed - We're looking into ways of making it as smooth as
possible (such as a package that will automatically fix their
repository configuration), but they'll at the very least have to
install that package or modify their repositories.
Current Factory users will need to change their repositories - we
won't be forcing that on Day 1, November 4th, but 6 months later we do
intend to remove the Factory URL's at download.opensuse.org/factory
people will have to have moved by then
We will be able to do that right now, with the big
changes, after it will become a bit more complicated no?
I think we can strike a balance between doing the big changes and
keeping things smooth for as many people as possible
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