On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Bryen M Yunashko
On Sat, 2012-09-01 at 12:48 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: <snip>
The question is not "should" but "can".
The fact of the matter is that SUSE has X dollars and y humans in their company, regardless of current openSUSE supported releases. From that x and y, they have to decide how much to give to openSUSE. They do not have unlimited resources and have to think carefully about what they can give to the Project that doesn't drain from their own priorities for their own products.
We can argue time and time again that the last supported release version should be given extended support. But that does not change the reality that the availability of resources remains the same. The only real reality is that if we want longer life support for any given version, then we have to step up as a community and do the work.
I don't dispute the validity of your concerns, and I don't think many do, nor am I saying I agree with them either. I'm simply neutral on it. I'm pretty sure SUSE doesn't dispute it either. In fact, there was a recent discussion about keeping the 11.4 repos up for longer, even if support for it ceases. Additionally, if I'm not mistaken, Evergreen will support 11.4 as well.
But these constant "should be extended longer" arguments I see will always go nowhere if the community doesn't also couple that arugment with "okay, let's band together and make continued support a reality."
And on a side note, I have to admit to some distress when looking at the current list of people coming to the openSUSE Summit in three weeks, and barely see anyone from North America who are vocally active in this factory list not registered yet for the Summit. The Summit is an excellent place for folks who have concerns to come together, discuss and collaborate over a three-day weekend and come up with real solutions.
I'm not trying to do a shameless plugin of Summit here, but to point out that constant vocalizing of concerns without effort to develop realistic solutions to those concerns and come together in a more collaborative and productive way seems to be quite prevalent.
If you want support to be better... get involved. Can't be more simpler than that.
Bryen
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I wish I could be at the summit but it's just not financially feasible. I, too, have priorities and limited resources. But on the topic of 11.4 support, I've been very happy with 12.1 and I don't see a need for 11.4 support at all. I switched from 11.4 to 12.1 late in the pre-release process and never looked back. I *am* concerned about the quality of 12.2; RC2 was the first build I could even use for my computational journalism publishers workbench. I'm clearing off a partition on my workstation for the release, but I'm not at all sure I'll ever run it on my laptop on bare metal. As long as I have a solid kernel, compilers, tool chain and LXDE desktop I can run almost anything from upstream source or binaries on *any* distro. 12.2, or for that matter Fedora 17 LXDE or Lubuntu 12.04 LTS aren't a *compelling* improvement over 12.1 for that use case. -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; Computational Journalism Publishers Workbench: http://j.mp/QCsXOr How the Hell can the lion sleep with all those people singing "A weem oh way!" at the top of their lungs? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org