Alex wrote:
With zypper (cli) and opensuse-updater (updater applet) it is within grasp to not have zmd+friends on KDE installations. That would indeed be excellent news.
I, too, would consider this a great idea.
Yes, this tools requires testing though, I encourage the readers of this list to test them, I see them as the light and the end of the tunnel...
I'm never get the ZMD stuff to work properly on my system (don't know if that's a zmd or zypp problem, however).
that's because it does not work properly, or if it does, it is too slow and complex.
But generally it's better to have a simple, robust, but especially working system for the package management. Nowadays it's seems there is a complex interaction between zmd, rug, libzypp, yast2-package-management and now the opensuse-updater (and all the dependancies - mono and stuff).
Yes, we need something that the vast mayority of **openSUSE**, an **end-user** targeted distro needs.
And the interaction is less than perfect -
It is a hack.
why e.g. don't installation sources I add with YAST appear in rug, but if I add them with rug they don't appear in YAST? Is this amount of complexity really needed?
No, it is not needed, but somebody at novell thought it was needed. go figure...
Just consider smart, which - despite some other shortcomings - shows how simple package management could be handled, without lots of complex programs and demons interacting.
Smart has it's own sets of problems, but yes, we need "something" like smart ( but without it's problems of course ;) )