Am Mittwoch, 31. August 2011, 11:11:02 schrieb Stefan Seyfried:
Hi Ilya,
Am Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:20:31 +0400
schrieb Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus@gmail.com>:
On Wednesday 31 August 2011 11:59:50 Stefan Seyfried wrote:
So you do packaging without having the packages checked out locally and test-building them before checkin?
In that case my home computer would be doing building all the time. KDE:KDE3 gets fully built good if 2 or 3 times a month.
Are you changing all the packages all the time?
If not, your computer does not need to rebuild anything.
But if you changed something in a package, test-building *just this package* before submitting it is IMVHO a good idea, as the turnaround time is usually much faster than what the buildservice provides.
Why? Spending all my computer's power on building is good?
Not necessary, see above.
Choose one from http://en.opensuse.org/Product_highlights#Latest_Free_Desktops for example. The list is from 11.4 but it applies to FACTORY as well.
That page lists only KDE4, Gnome2, Gnome3 and Xfce.
and LXDE.
Gnome2 will not be available in 12.1
In KDE4 they still have broken file manager, and in Xfce there is no normal file manager at all.
Yes, there is Thunar for XFCE. And Krusader from KDE4 works pretty well for me.
First, I am not a programmer to improve something.
Second, it is unreasonable to improve something for a desktop which creators do not respect the work of other programmers and easily throw it away.
Third, If someone would like to improve KDE4 or Gnome 3 he would have to revert
I would not dare trying to work with KDE4 or GNOME3, but we are lucky that there are other choices.
I think I quite understand where you are coming from. I was using KDE for quite some time, and even made the switch to KDE4. Finally, I was ditching KDE4 for GNOME (2.2x at the time), because there was always something broken, be it NetworkManager, power management, bluetooth or whatever, which simply just worked when using the GNOME parts (nm-applet, bluettooth-applet, gnome-power-manager).
It's improved a lot, but not completely. At least not in my real hardware configuration. The play-and-sing-along vm doesn't deal with wifi, bridges and some other things and behaves more nicely. I'll do a clean hardware install with fresh home and etc by the time the first updates for 12.1 roll in. My contribution for 12.1 is more server-side.
And even though I liked KDE3, there is simply no economically feasible way of keeping it alive. So as I already wrote. It's interesting to watch you trying to ride that dead horse, but that's it.
I was an early adopter of KDE4 and believe me, nobody knows the trouble I've seen. Early KDE 4 lacked a lot justworkability and stayrunningness. Now it lacks a little. Still, to me, (3 at its time and now 4), is the only real desktop around. I do not consider a KDE 3 (fork) any better if it isn't locally built and tested by the packager. I also do not believe it will stay well-integrated with current systemd/nohal/feature-evolved base systems. I also liked DR DOS/Novell DOS (later to become Caldera OpenDOS) much better than the MS product but at some point in time this became pointless. So is this KDE3 thing. So please, let things evolve, adapt to changes that will come anyway or have come, make --no-copy-dt-needed-default and other sane but painful upgrades work on most software. Don't maintain GEM [1] just for the sake of it and because some time now a few years ago, somebody did some questionable decisions which most of the crowd followed anyway. [1] http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev -- Ralf Lang Linux Consultant / Developer B1 Systems GmbH Osterfeldstraße 7 / 85088 Vohburg / http://www.b1-systems.de GF: Ralph Dehner / Unternehmenssitz: Vohburg / AG: Ingolstadt,HRB 3537 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org