On Wednesday 31 August 2011 13:11:02 Stefan Seyfried wrote:
31 August 2011 11:59:50 Stefan Seyfried wrote:
So you do packaging without having the packages
checked out locally and
test-building them before checkin?
In that case my home computer would be doing building all the time.
KDE:KDE3 gets fully built good if 2 or 3 times a month.
Are you changing all the packages all the time?
If not, your computer does not need to rebuild anything.
But if you changed something in a package, test-building *just this
package* before submitting it is IMVHO a good idea, as the turnaround time
is usually much faster than what the buildservice provides.
Why should I spend my time and wait for rebuilds? It is impossible
to do anything while the computer builds something.
Choose one from
for example. The list is from 11.4 but it applies to FACTORY as well.
That page lists only KDE4, Gnome2, Gnome3 and Xfce.
LXDE even does not allow you to arrange icons on the desktop as you wish.
Does not worth discussing.
not be available in 12.1
In KDE4 they still have broken file manager, and in Xfce there is no normal file
manager at all.
Yes, there is Thunar for XFCE.
Is it normal filemanager you think?
And Krusader from KDE4 works pretty well for me.
Krusader is OK but is is a special-purpose file manager, namely, panel-oriented
(I do not use panel-oriented FMs usually).
And also I avoid mixing applications from different desktops.
First, I am
not a programmer to improve something.
Second, it is unreasonable to improve something for a desktop which
creators do not respect the work of other programmers and easily throw it away.
Third, If someone would like to improve KDE4 or Gnome 3 he would have to revert
I would not dare trying to work with KDE4 or GNOME3, but we are lucky
that there are other choices.
I think I quite understand where you are coming from. I was using KDE for
quite some time, and even made the switch to KDE4. Finally, I was ditching
KDE4 for GNOME (2.2x at the time), because there was always something
broken, be it NetworkManager, power management, bluetooth or whatever,
which simply just worked when using the GNOME parts (nm-applet,
Then came GNOME3 and the first import into FACTORY was so broken, that it
was unbearable. Not wanting to add random repos, I switched to XFCE which
is, IMVHO "GNOME done right and without assuming users are stupid". I did
not have much to complain since.
As I said, Xfce-panel is OK, its window manager while simple, also acceptable,
but the file manager is not enough functional for me.
Even the infamous GTK filepicker dialog evolved during
the last 5 years
into something usable, not worse than the QT counterparts.
The only file picker that annoys me is that from KDE4.
And QT3 with it's plain broken UTF8 support
Can you please clarify where it is broken and how can I see it?
since >5 years is simply not a
valid option nowadays, and nobody is going to fix this anymore (try using
a textmode mailer, aka mutt, in KDE3 konsole and view some of that chinese
How it is related to Qt3? Mutt does not depend on Qt3 at all. The only thing that
can affect its behavior is broken profiling which has nothing to do with Qt3
Just as an example that it's broken. Even when I
was using KDE3 and
KDE4 was just an alpha version on the horizon, I needed to use KDE4
konsole in order to get an remotely usable terminal.)
And even though I liked KDE3, there is simply no economically feasible way
of keeping it alive. So as I already wrote. It's interesting to watch you
trying to ride that dead horse, but that's it.
The basic, core packages do not take so much effort. But when somebody introduces a
that breaks ~50 packages, it is quite difficult to repair them all.
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