Re: [opensuse-edu] which programming languages preferred?
On Sunday 31 December 2006 15:19, garry saddington wrote:
I can't think of a good reason to waste time with a windows anything. except maybe shades ;)
not looking to move the stored data anywhere until stage three , just looking to make a sharable demographics interface, if Centre was the main interface then Moodle and OpenBiblio could be configured to use Centre as their authentication and user repository , Yes? This would also allow each product to remain independent until stage three, Yes?
No argument here
waiting isn't helping. Many schools are right now looking for a replacement for things like WInschool which isn't NCLB compliant and has already been decommissioned by Pearson. At least with a program like Centre we can make it meet the needs and maybe some regulations too. I have seen more than one thread on this idea. google search SIS+Moodle and you will see them, even a company selling the service of using Moodles API to sync data. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 18:15 -0500, James Tremblay wrote:
I totally agree with the need for speed but this is probelmatic as most open source developers have day jobs and therefore there is a finite speed at which these things can proceed. How do you envisage the work on yours ideas will be undertaken? Kind Regards Garry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 07:06, garry saddington wrote:
You and I seem to be on a different thought process about these programs. There are all web based programs and therefore the host makes no difference. The staff and students in my schools are still mostly on M$ machines and until I have a decent Client for Netware, are going to stay that way. What I want to affect is the way schools "run" there records keeping operations, If we can build an OpenSource admin suite, and the parts already exist, then we should try and help set a standard in place. Teachers in general are aware of the need for standards and good records keeping, as exampled here by Judy Jones http://teachersnetwork.org/ntol/howto/implement/standards.htm what they need is an easy to use and commonly available method to help make those records mean something, to them and the teachers those students move on to. Your comments seem to be generated from an experience of trying to move the desktop to quickly, I have not tried to move the desktops at all. I have however, introduced at the elementary level, LTSP on SLED and it is taking off like wildflowers, because with it, I took the student to computer ratio from 7:1 to 4:1 and my district is on average 2.8:1 due to a recurring purchasing plan I laid out 6 years ago. This plan leverages loans\leases to offset the schools buying power by reducing the yearly impact to 33K. By shifting the usage paradigm from locally installed software to web based lessons, we have increased daily computer usage 3 fold. I'm not asking that this be done tommorrow, just asking that people join in and begin to participate, as you have done. Please do continue to keep me on my feet. Thanks James Tremblay -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 12:12, garry saddington wrote:
how are they less impressive? if a program is web based, it's web based.
I have looked at this and it is nice, I am looking to use a COTS (common off the shelf) approach to building a hybrid suite. To make this suite easier to manage I would like to use a common programming language and common DB Centre is working on a MySQL port that would eliminate the last inconsistency. all will be LAMP products.
are you working with SchoolTool? Would you like to distribute it with full support of an OS. We can help you optimize it for OpenSUSE.
On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 12:47 -0500, James Tremblay wrote:
My project is named ScholarPack, I did have a web demo and a website active until last year but I have had no time to maintain it properly as I have been getting ScholarPack ready for a release - I will not release it until I think it is ready (no 0.0.1 iterations!) I have just started to install a production server to hold a new website and a demo of the features of ScholarPack. I will let this list know when it is finished. Regards Garry Saddington Skegness Grammar School, England -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 06:30, James Tremblay wrote:
Heh - good one.
Out here in California, the situation is not quite that bad. We are very used to a mixed environnment since many schools were supplied by Apple Computer with IIe and Macintosh systems over the years. This still occasionally happens. My son's school has almost 100 MacBooks (or whatever the Macintosh laptop is these days.) mixed with IIgs, Macintosh, and various Wintendo computers.
Being web-based, this will be an easier task to accomplish. With a cost of zero for the software, there is one less argument against such an implementation.
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James Tremblay wrote:
As I read what you say, James, 'Doze is a trivial issue, not worth getting steamed up about: all the basic tools can be OSS and available across platforms. That seems to me to be the fundamental benefit of an exercise like this: to escape from proprietary limitations. The only Windows-specific; Linux-specific; or, I believe, Novell-specific, elements should be the executables for the tools, plus the packaging - relatively trivial issues in themselves. Which brings me back to the original question about what languages and tools to use... I was once almost commissioned to write a system for a local public school, to provide a system for room bookings, both for classes and external letting. My criteria for which tools to choose were: a) that I was already at least somewhat familiar with them; and b) that I could develop the system on my Linux kit, run the trial version on the 'Doze workstation in the office, then migrate it to the school's Novell servers. From those two criteria, I came up with Apache, MySQL and PHP. Aren't those criteria good ones here (there are probably other tools that fit)? Apart from anything else, if the system can run under 'Doze, then it becomes a step on the migration journey; if it won't, then it is not an option for anyone who hasn't, or isn't ready to, migrate: regrettably, quite a lot of potential users. (And server versus client doesn't distinguish anything: the system can, given the right OSS tools, run - either for demo/test purposes, or as the final tool - on whatever an establishment uses, both on the desk top and in the server room.) The main demand for input is into the active code, repackaging as both .zip and .tar.gz (or whatever) is trivial, so why not do it? Just my two-pennorth. Roger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 20:09, Roger Beaumont wrote:
I too feel that a AMP approach makes the best sense , which is why I'm looking to optimize the 3 programs chosen for installation and compatibility enhancements.
I think we are loosing sight of one the goals I have outlined on the website, that is that, this will be an add-on installation media for OpenSUSE . I believe that an effective demo senario would be to download the current version of Opensuse and the EDU-CD add-on media and build it all very quickly and easily, leaving the customer with an installed SIS(Centre), LMS(Moodle), LAS(OpenBiblio). Well established and respected education management suite. The product I'm after isn't new, it's an enhancement to these programs to make them work together. The OpenSUSE\Novell team shouldn't have to fork anything, just donate some "Identity management" programming. just enough to make them more compatible with the IMS ( http://www.imsglobal.org/ ) standard and LDAP like Moodle is already. This will make them more compatible with Novell's e-directory by default. After that it's up to the original programmers to make them load on 'doze -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org
James Tremblay wrote: ...
With all due respect - and no hint of criticism of SUSE - but something SUSE-specific (and the devil take the rest) seems to me little better than something M$-specific (and ditto). IMHO what the education sector needs is an OSS product that is platform independent - so I'm talking about my aspirations, not yours. Good luck anyway; SUSE-specific sounds a lot closer to my aspirations than any of the other alternatives I've heard about. Good networking, Roger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 22:03 +0000, Roger wrote:
The OSS programs I am talking about already have installation instructions for M$, so the Devil has his playground too. :) James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org
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garry saddington
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James Tremblay
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Kai Ponte
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Roger
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Roger Beaumont