I would like to say that we ought to give ourselves time to hack out exactly what we want to acheive at another meeting though ... It is really nice to meet people face to face, but now that the thing is getting off the ground, I would say that to make it worth the effort of travel/organising we need a really solid agenda with specific aims this time. Last time was great as a launch pad ... but we need to be more focused now. Because of this, I think that we don't need one too soon, I think we need time to hack out some details first. I have several ideas for ensuring that the discussions are as productive via email as we can make them (as I am sure other people have too), but lets talk about that on the osie lists ... (probably give people until tomorrow night (Thurs) and then start talking on osie ... ?) Kevin.