On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 09:34:24AM -0000, Robb Bloomfield wrote:
Perhaps you'd care to point out exactly why you did subscribe to this list? And why you obviously don't think that the MS monopoly and business practices are relevant to a list discussing the use of linux in schools?
I subscribed to this list because I'm a Linux user, and I'm a Network Manager in a school. Is that okay? As far as the Microsoft monopoly is concerned, no one is forced to use it.
Yes they are. I'm forced to use it for my university work as the university ships me software that will only run under Windows. Others are forced to use it for a variety of reasons but it all boils down to the monopoly.
There are many schools on this list, and many of them don't use Windows at all. You have a choice, and other people have theirs, so stop slating people who choose to use it.
You don't understand that people *don't* have a choice in a lot of cases and I've never slated those people. For people who do have a choice and choose to use Windows, well that doesn't make sense. Why use something that you have to pay for and then be constrained by onerous licensing terms when you can use something that is free and in most cases is functionally superior?
Perhaps you'd then further like to explain why you're so sensitive about MS being knocked? What exactly is your business/personal relationship with that firm?
Because I'm sick of it. Every where you go around the Open Source community, it's MS did this, and MS did that, and this sucks and that sucks. So don't use it. I personally don't like Turbo Linux, but I don't go round complaining about them and complaining about the people that choose to use it. As far as a business/personal relationship goes, i don't have one, aside from the fact that I seem to be their only satisfied customer...
As I and many others have patiently tried to explain to you, a lot of people don't have a choice - now that sucks. And what sucks even more is when our government by their dodgy procurement procedures ends up forcing MS software even further down our necks.
Well, Microsoft, you've got my support. I have been a Microsoft user for a long time, and always will be.
'nuff said. There's obviously no point in you subscribing to a linux list is there then, so why did you subscribe in the first place? A bit of trolling perhaps to pass the time?
Excuse me?!?!?! This is what offends me the most. Since when has it been written in your scared GPL that Linux users aren't allowed to use Microsoft *as well*. And I've explained why I subscribed, not that it's any of your business....as for trolling, try scrolling through your inbox, you might notice one or two posts by me...
You declared that you will always use Microsoft. That's like me declaring that I will always drive a Vauxhall irrespective of the quality of their products or of other manufacturers - and what's more doing it on a Ford mailing list. Doing that can be only designed to cause offence and what's more shows large amounts of contempt and disrespect for Ford owners to say the least. Trolling - the charge stands.
Unix has been around for >30 yrs & doesn't need your immature views on maturity.
Touche it seems...
With `help' from self-declared Windows blow-hards like yourself wasting peoples time and posting nothing but nonsense, then nothing good will come of it.
Ooops, sorry there we go again, yes I use Winows, commit me for christ sake...
The most pathetic thing being that you've complained about a post from the guy who runs the list. I suggest that in this case Roger's got a rather better idea of what's on-topic then you have with regards the use of linux in schools, and even in the unlikely circumstance that he hasn't, he's got a certain entitlement to post to his own list hasn't
Never implied he didn't have.
Yes you did. Look at who's post your original post followed up, and then look at your comments about not going on about the monopoly and if it continued you'd throw your toys out of your pram and unsubscribe.
My complaint was that this was a list for Linux in schools, which is what i want to read about, not some crusade against the NHS business practices. As far as the "i'm a tax payer" rant goes, there are many. many things I don't want my taxes going to. Do I get arsey about every single one and let everyone know about?? No. Complaining about Exam boards only accepting Proprietary software is all well and good, it affects us, here and now.
As others have pointed out, what a big government department do with their cash in the way of software procurement should be of great concern to those who use IT in schools.
What the NHS do with their cash I couldn't give a damn about.
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