Re: [opensuse-doc] openSUSE 11.4 manuals ready for translation / 11.4 changes
CC: opensuse@opensuse.org To: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-doc/2011-03/msg00000.html * From: Frank Sundermeyer <fs@xxxxxxx> * Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:03:02 +0100 * Message-id: <20110301160302.6ef5a827@pythagoras.suse.de>
#### 11.4 Changes ######
Start-Up: --------- For 11.4 we completely revamped that Start-Up guide. It now consists of 5 chapters derived from the former quickstarts:
* Installation * KDE * GNOME * LibreOffice * Help & Troubleshooting
The first 3 chapters have been shipped as separate Quickstart with former openSUSE versions (filenames are the same as before). The LibreOffoce part is new, the Help & Troubleshooting remains in the Start-Up.
Reference: ---------- Most of the stuff that has been in previous Start-Up versions has been moved/merged into the Reference Guide.
Files having been added from old Start-Up:
* xml/inst_yast2.xml * xml/yast2_hw.xml * xml/yast2_sound.xml * xml/yast2_scanner.xm * xml/newbie_bash.xml * xml/newbie_perm_i.xml * xml/newbie_bash_commands_i.xml * xml/nm.xml * xml/nm_kde.xml * xml/nm_gnome.xml
I have just given a new user (who as got his system a bit ruined) a link to: Novell: openSUSE 11.2 Start (html) > 6.1 Benutzerkonzept > 6.1.1 Unterschiedliche Benutzerrollen http://www.novell.com/de-de/documentation/opensuse112/book_opensuse_startup/... witch equates to openSUSE Start-Up > Chapter 6. Basic Concepts http://doc.opensuse.org/products/opensuse/openSUSE_113/opensuse-startup/cha.new.html[/url] form Start-Up (Date 09 Mar 2011) http://doc.opensuse.org/products/opensuse/openSUSE_113/opensuse-startup Have I only not been able to find the passages in the new Reference or the new Startup or do you think something like it is not more necessary? I would doubt that it would be really wise to drop basics like that completely. Regards Martin -- - Martin Seidler - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-doc+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:27:24 +0100 pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote: Hi,
I have just given a new user (who as got his system a bit ruined) a link to: [...] openSUSE Start-Up > Chapter 6. Basic Concepts http://doc.opensuse.org/products/opensuse/openSUSE_113/opensuse-startup/cha.new.html[/url]
Have I only not been able to find the passages in the new Reference or the new Startup or do you think something like it is not more necessary?
I would doubt that it would be really wise to drop basics like that completely.
It does not fit into the Reference Guide anymore, because that guide assumes you already know about the basic Linux concepts, so I dropped it. On the other hand you are right - an introduction on general Linux concepts targeted at former Windows users would be a good thing to have. Please file an enhancement bug for 11.5, Component Documentation and assign it to me (fs@novell.com). -- Thanks Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-doc+help@opensuse.org
Am 10/03/11 13:11, schrieb Frank Sundermeyer:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:27:24 +0100 pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
Hi,
I have just given a new user (who as got his system a bit ruined) a link to: [...] openSUSE Start-Up > Chapter 6. Basic Concepts http://doc.opensuse.org/products/opensuse/openSUSE_113/opensuse-startup/cha.new.html[/url]
Have I only not been able to find the passages in the new Reference or the new Startup or do you think something like it is not more necessary?
I would doubt that it would be really wise to drop basics like that completely.
It does not fit into the Reference Guide anymore, because that guide assumes you already know about the basic Linux concepts, so I dropped it.
On the other hand you are right - an introduction on general Linux concepts targeted at former Windows users would be a good thing to have.
Please file an enhancement bug for 11.5, Component Documentation and assign it to me (fs@novell.com).
I have seen that you (singular/pl.?) have made a great improvement in the manuals - in quantity and as far as I guess/rate also in quality. Sorry that I left out the more or less obvious. And probably your time and power is limited. Maybe the dropped texts could be treated a bit alike to the staging part of the kernel code? What do you think about releasing it to the/pasting it in the wiki and hope for some other people to keep it up to date? In that case you may refer to that pages in the book-like-documentation. On the other hand: Coming from the jurisprudence (as one of the German "Geisteswissenschaften" but also being in Germany always related to existing/possible cases of use) and having been a bit in love with mathematics I tend to believe that you should define the basics (like conceps) to be able to work with the more specific issues (and vis versa). So if you are writing about special things like polkit1/policy kit would it not make sense to have a basics passage to refer to in order to avoid to much duplication but also to give an hint why the user/admin should go that a bit more complicated way and not just start the program as root or with full root previleges? The reasons why some use sodo or su- and some just su may also fit in a more conceptual guide/manifest/... Are the security guys not thinking about concepts and something more or less fitting in them if they have to decide about a package been included in a distribution or not have to decide about a default setup of a distribution have to decide about a concret setup of a server or desktop? What you know what they think about that issue/these issues and where and how it would best placed? Just my thoughts/a bit brainstorming. Regards Martin -- -- - Martin - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-doc+help@opensuse.org
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