On Fri, 2020-10-23 at 11:23 +0200, Adrien Glauser wrote:

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I am using these things to strike a balance between the pain of turning very circumstantial texts into media wiki syntax and the pain for others to have to jump between too many tools. So far we've been able to work with just trello, google docs, the opensuse wiki, telegram and emails -- not too bad don't you think? :) .

There is no need to get defensive.

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I am using these things to strike a balance between the pain of turning very circumstantial texts into media wiki syntax and the pain for others to have to jump between too many tools. So far we've been able to work with just trello, google docs, the opensuse wiki, telegram and emails -- not too bad don't you think? :) .

There is no need to get defensive.

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I specifically refer to opensuse documentation on this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zERjqqQrWBAoM3B25BIQ4hvTFU_Y7S8 L57b h-wb6ld4/edit?usp=sharing Followed by bunch of third party resources listed in your telegram post.

These "third party resources" are websites, which don't do much except serve HTTP requests. I mentioned them so that we can visit them, look around, a more forward with some baseline of an idea. Nothing else. Pure references.

My understanding is that you want all of us to abide by a principle that says that there is moral requirement not to use non-FOSS software when there is a FOSS alternative. But I fail to understand how this principle applies to websites in general, or to the use of them as I was suggesting. If you meant this principle to rule out not websites but Telegram, I don't know what to say except: 1) that I am trying to make everything to not create a gap between users and non-users, as you can witness from my activity on the MLs; 2) that the entire openSUSE community is present on many of these non- FOSS platforms, such as Discord and Telegram (if we mean "non-FOSS" to cover server code and not just client code).

On the other hand, I am trying to acknowledge the fact that you don't feel at ease with these websites, and my assumption was that this was the case because you felt like the normative principle stated above made them morally wrong to use / browse.

I think you are mistaken in you application of the moral principle (I mean, does Richard Stallman buys his airplane tickets from Emacs?), but I am ready to suspend judgment and to make a step in your direction. Hence my suggestion that you clarify which tools you think are permitted as per your understanding of the moral principle.

I hope this is crystal clear now.

How is all this relevant to opensuse documentation and website improvements? This is a statement with question mark - no answer or explanation needed - I have no interest in digressing from the and discussing politics I interpret your long email as - we work though the social media and do not intend to change for now. Fair enough - I will find different place/way to help. Tomas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-doc+owner@opensuse.org