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I am using these things to strike a balance between the pain of
very circumstantial texts into media wiki syntax and the pain for
others to have to jump between too many tools. So far we've been
to work with just trello, google docs, the opensuse wiki, telegram
emails -- not too bad don't you think? :)
There is no need to get defensive.
Not being defensive, I am just trying to make 1 step back and look at
Other people have brought up the fact that we do not work with local
resources. I understood that it was considered valid concern, thus we
should make the change.
What does "local resources" mean in your sentence, exactly?
I specifically refer to opensuse documentation on
Followed by bunch of third party resources listed in your telegram
These "third party resources" are websites, which don't do much
serve HTTP requests. I mentioned them so that we can visit them, look
around, a more forward with some baseline of an idea. Nothing else.
My understanding is that you want all of us to abide by a principle
that says that there is moral requirement not to use non-FOSS software
when there is a FOSS alternative. But I fail to understand how this
principle applies to websites in general, or to the use of them as I
was suggesting. If you meant this principle to rule out not websites
but Telegram, I don't know what to say except:
1) that I am trying to make everything to not create a gap between
users and non-users, as you can witness from my activity on the MLs;
2) that the entire openSUSE community is present on many of these non-
FOSS platforms, such as Discord and Telegram (if we mean "non-FOSS" to
cover server code and not just client code).
On the other hand, I am trying to acknowledge the fact that you don't
feel at ease with these websites, and my assumption was that this was
the case because you felt like the normative principle stated above
made them morally wrong to use / browse.
I think you are mistaken in you application of the moral principle (I
mean, does Richard Stallman buys his airplane tickets from Emacs?), but
I am ready to suspend judgment and to make a step in your direction.
Hence my suggestion that you clarify which tools you think are
permitted as per your understanding of the moral principle.
I hope this is crystal clear now.
I will not respond further, this is not matter of what
I or you find
uneasy. We either do stuff for opensuse community using opensuse
infrastructure and in a manner not excluding others - or we do not -
and this is just another effort stuck in another walled garden.
I am not trying to be awkward. This way of working is impeding
cooperation - I gave practical example: I offered help - people/you
suggested what I can help with - nothing came out of it because the
info is in some social media chat not visible to all. It is in the
minutes if in doubt.
This is important to get right, I think. If the existing opensuse
cooperative tools cannot be used, we should try to improve them
rather than just leave for google docs.
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