https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c3 --- Comment #3 from Bong Kim 2010-10-20 05:36:05 UTC --- (In reply to comment #2)

Hi Kim,

thanks for report.

Unfortunately I do not know Hangŭl, so please be so much specific as possible. I have English installation of openSUSE 11.3 and there I have installed unfonts. What I should do to reproduce bug now?

It would be also _very_ appreciated if you attach two screenshots of an example acquired before and after your fix.

Thanks!

Hi First, make sure that Unfont as your default Korean fonts. You can check this by in your Konsole $ export LANG=ko_KR.UTF-8 $ fc-match sans fc-match should return "UnDotum". (you might need to edit /etc/fonts/conf.d/58-suse-port-user.conf and /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatic.conf.) Now using your web browser (I use Chromium but Firefox also okay), visit any Korean web sites like http://www.naver.com http://www.daum.net (both are top Korean portal sites) You'll see that Korean fonts are NOT antialised and ugly. And comment out <string>ko</string> lines in suse-pre-user.conf and you'll see the difference. My understanding is that some CJK fonts might need the setting in suse-pre-user.conf file, but the most popular Korean fonts (Unfont and Nanum fonts for example) do not work well with that setting. I remember Ubuntu also used to have a similar settings for CJK fonts by default in the past, but not anymore for recent verions like Ubuntu 10.10. Thanks for your attention. Bong Kim -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c5 --- Comment #5 from Bong Kim 2010-10-21 14:32:36 UTC --- (In reply to comment #4)

(In reply to comment #3)

...

And comment out <string>ko</string> lines in suse-pre-user.conf and you'll see the difference.

Unfortunately I don't see the difference :-(. Maybe screen shots before and after fix could help.

Umm... I'd installed Nanum fonts and changed fontconf files to use it as my default Korean fonts. Now I'm not sure it is Nanum fonts or my fontconf changes or both that fixed the ugly fonts problem. Let me tell you how to make Korean fonts ugly from the initial installation. When you finish installing SUSE 11.3 and login, visit http://www.daum.net The default English installation has nice looking Korean fonts. Make a screenshot here. Now, goto Yast Control Center's Language, and install Korean which includes unfonts and scim input method among others. And visit the site again. Now you'll see very ugly Korean fonts. Compare it with the screenshot you took. As far as I know, UnDotum fonts are not this ugly. I'm sorry I didn't took screenshots in everystep and I didn't record evey change I made, but the UnDotum fonts after installing Korean language are not simply the looking I'm used to. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c7 Petr Gajdos changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED InfoProvider|kbn00@hotmail.com | --- Comment #7 from Petr Gajdos 2010-10-25 08:42:05 UTC --- Ok, thanks Kim, I will try it tomorrow. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c9 Petr Gajdos changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |kbn00@hotmail.com --- Comment #9 from Petr Gajdos 2010-10-26 09:48:31 UTC --- Fixes ~/.font.conf with following content the problem for you? <fontconfig> <match target="font"> <test name="family"> <string>UnDotum</string> <string>UnBatang</string> </test> <edit name="autohint"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> </match> </fontconfig> -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c11 --- Comment #11 from Petr Gajdos 2010-10-26 10:02:13 UTC --- I wonder what happens with font settings during korean language installation. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c13 --- Comment #13 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-01 14:07:25 UTC --- (In reply to comment #12)

Installing Korean language does not change fontconfig setting. I've looked again the configuration files, and /etc/fonts/suse-hinting.conf file turns off autohinting for UnDotum because UnDotum is TrueType. It is just the default fontconfig setting that does not work well with Unfonts.

Yes, I have noticed it too, thanks.

Yes, the personal .fonts.conf turns on autohint, however, still the UnDotum does not look as good as when it is used on my Ubuntu 10.10. I'm not sure why, but there must be some differences, either the fonts files and/or the fontconfig settings.

I cannot compare that, because I don't have Ubuntu.

Anyway, my personal opinion is that it might be better if OpenSUSE includes Nanum fonts by default. I've found out that Nanum fonts work well with default OpenSUSE fontconfig. I've just added Nanum fonts to suse-post-user.conf for serif, sans-serif, and monospace. And that's all.

Nanum fonts has SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE (http://help.naver.com/ops/step2/faq.nhn?faqId=15879), and it has NanumGothic (sans), NanumMyeongjo(serif), and NanumGothicCoding (monospace) among others. They are available here http://hangeul.naver.com/index.nhn

Would you like to package it? I will turn aliasing on for unfonts in suse-hinting.conf in the first place. I see three possibilities for the future: 1. settle for unfonts with aliasing turned on, 2. replace unfonts by nanumfonts, but I will definitely need help with packaging them, 3. settle for droid-fonts which appear to be used when unfonts are not installed. What's your impression from droid-fonts?

Thanks again for your attention. Thanks for cooperation.

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c15 --- Comment #15 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-02 16:16:12 UTC ---

I just 'diff' UnDotum.ttf file and the one on my Ubuntu partition, and the sizes are different. It might be the reason why Unfonts on OpenSUSE do not look as good as on Ubuntu ? I suspect that turning on aliasing alone does not make Unfonts look good on OpenSUSE 11.3

Might be, but I believe we have the last version, at least from http://kldp.net/projects/unfonts/download which of course can't be counterargument, though.

In sum, my preference is 2 > 3 > 1

So let's go second way.

I have no experience in making a RPM package. I'm willing to help you get the fonts (*.ttf) and LICENSE files.

Excelent, please go ahead and provide me with these. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c17 --- Comment #17 from Bong Kim 2010-11-02 17:58:58 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=398228) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=398228) Nanum fonts ttf and LICENSE files -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c19 --- Comment #19 from Bong Kim 2010-11-02 18:08:44 UTC --- Nanum fonts are downloadable in 2 Window zip files, one is NanumFont_TTF_ALL.zip (sans and serif) and the other is NanumGothicCoding-2.0.zip (monospace). sans NanumGothic serif NanumMyeongjo mono NanumGothicCoding Because of 10MB size limit, I've splitted NanumFont_TTF_ALL into 2, NanumFontCore and NanumFontEtc. In the README file, I wrote where I got the files, so that you can double check if you want. Let me know if there's anything I can help. Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c21 --- Comment #21 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-08 14:26:09 UTC --- You had to rename fonts from NanumGothicCoding-2.0.zip right? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c23 --- Comment #23 from Bong Kim 2010-11-08 22:14:17 UTC --- By the way, the LICENSE file in the 3rd attachment (i.e. NanumGothicCoding) is different from the first two, because (this is just a technicality) NanumGothicCoding is a seperate project and is not part of NanumFont distribution yet, even though both have SIL Open Font License. So you might need to include both LICENSES in the package you're building or make seperate packages (Debian/Ubuntu has 2 packages, one for nanumfont and the other for nanum-gothic-encoding, FYI). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c25 --- Comment #25 from Bong Kim 2010-11-09 09:33:29 UTC --- (In reply to comment #24)

pgajdos@laura:~/osc/M17N/nanumfonts> unzip NanumGothicCoding-2.0.zip Archive: NanumGothicCoding-2.0.zip inflating: ????????????????????????-Bold.ttf inflating: ????????????????????????.ttf pgajdos@laura:~/osc/M17N/nanumfonts> ls ³ª´®°íµñÄÚµù-Bold.ttf ³ª´®°íµñÄÚµù.ttf NanumGothicCoding-2.0.zip

The filenames are Korean in the NanumGothicCoding-2.0.zip file. They are not displayed properly because your terminal might not support Korean? The filenames in my tar.gz attachment are the English names of the Korean ones. And the English names are the same ones in the English version of the LICENSE. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c27 --- Comment #27 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-09 09:46:04 UTC --- (In reply to comment #25)

(In reply to comment #24) The filenames are Korean in the NanumGothicCoding-2.0.zip file. They are not displayed properly because your terminal might not support Korean?

The filenames in my tar.gz attachment are the English names of the Korean ones. And the English names are the same ones in the English version of the LICENSE.

Yes, so that's why I asked about renaming in comment 22 :-). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c29 --- Comment #29 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-09 13:07:52 UTC --- I have created package nanum-fonts (with subpackage nanum-gothic-coding) in M17N devel project and submitted modified fontconfig there too. To do: 1. test these packages 2. submit to factory 3. make nanum-fonts installed in Korean installation I prefer the way to leave unfonts in the distribution, for now at least, but have nanum-fonts as prefered. That means, if only unfonts are installed, they are used and if both are installed, then nanum-fonts are used. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c31 --- Comment #31 from Bong Kim 2010-11-10 04:19:22 UTC --- (In reply to comment #30)

In regard to 1: I have tested both situations (unfonts installed and (nanumfonts not installed or nanumfonts installed)) with fc-match in and it worked to me.

Could you please test it in your system? You can find packages here:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/M17N/openSUSE_11.3/

as soon as they are built.

Both packages installed fine. But where can I get the fontconfig that includes settings for Nanum fonts? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c33 --- Comment #33 from Bong Kim 2010-11-10 13:06:34 UTC --- fontconfig-2.8.0-32.1.x86_64.rpm has a bug, NanumMyeongjo is serif, and NanumGothic is sans-serif. But the 58-suse-post-user.conf file has them in the wrong order. Except this, the fontconfig looks fine. By the way, I'm not sure but is it unnecessary to add Nanum settings to 40-nonlatin.conf and 64-nonlatin.conf ? Because Unfonts (e.g. UnDotum) have settings in these files, too, but I'm not sure if these settings have any real effects, though. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c35 --- Comment #35 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-11 08:45:48 UTC --- I would switch on autohinting for unfonts. Should it be for NanumFonts as well? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c37 Petr Gajdos changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED InfoProvider|kbn00@hotmail.com | --- Comment #37 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-11 13:50:07 UTC --- I am going to push NanumFonts into Factory. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c39 Petr Gajdos changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |coolo@novell.com --- Comment #39 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-11 15:38:13 UTC --- Now 3: Coolo: what do you think about it? Could we have nanum-fonts as default font instead of unfonts? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c41 --- Comment #41 from Bong Kim 2010-11-12 12:53:25 UTC --- I've been playing with my personal Korean fonts settings today, and I've found that it is better to turn OFF autohint and only turn on hinting for Korean fonts. I suspect that it is because the freetype now supports the bytecode interpreter for Truetype fonts? My OpenSUSE 11.3 has upgraded to libfreetype6-2.4.3-35.1.x86_64 from the link Petr Gajdos gave me above. I hope the new version has the bytecode interpreter and lcdfilter compiled in by default. My personal ~/.fonts.conf is like below, and fonts on OpenSUSE 11.3, Fedora 14 (freetype-freeworld installed from RPMFusion), and Ubuntu 10.10 now all look great. ----------- cut here --------------------- <?xml version='1.0'?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM 'fonts.dtd'> <fontconfig> <!-- reject all bitmap fonts, with the exception of 'terminus' --> <selectfont> <acceptfont> <pattern> <patelt name="family"> <string>Terminus</string> </patelt> </pattern> </acceptfont> <rejectfont> <pattern> <patelt name="scalable"> <bool>false</bool> </patelt> </pattern> </rejectfont> </selectfont> <!-- preferred aliases --> <alias> <family>serif</family> <prefer> <family>DejaVu Serif</family> <family>NanumMyeongjo</family> </prefer> </alias> <!-- preferred aliases --> <alias> <family>sans-serif</family> <prefer> <family>DejaVu Sans</family> <family>NanumGothic</family> </prefer> </alias> <!-- preferred aliases --> <alias> <family>monospace</family> <prefer> <family>DejaVu Sans Mono</family> <family>Terminus</family> <family>NanumGothicCoding</family> </prefer> </alias> <!-- default quality settings --> <match target="font"> <edit mode="assign" name="rgba"> <const>rgb</const> </edit> <edit mode="assign" name="antialias"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> <edit mode="assign" name="autohint"> <bool>false</bool> </edit> <edit mode="assign" name="hinting"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> <edit mode="assign" name="hintstyle"> <const>hintfull</const> </edit> <edit mode="assign" name="lcdfilter"> <const>lcdlight</const> </edit> </match> </fontconfig> -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c43 Petr Gajdos changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |coolo@novell.com --- Comment #43 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-16 08:04:58 UTC --- nanum-fonts are in Factory (that means they will be in 11.4). (In reply to comment #40)

sure. there might be just places in the installation that we need to take care

How to ensure that nanum-fonts will be installed as default fonts instead of unfonts during korean installation? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c45 Petr Gajdos changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |kbn00@hotmail.com --- Comment #45 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-23 09:20:42 UTC --- (In reply to comment #42)

Yes, I'm willing to help you. Just let me know when it's available.

You should try some of milestone installation which contains unfonts. I suggest you to wait until*) 11.4-Milestone4 is present at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ soon and try its installation. Please use some virtualization tool rather than installing it on real machine -- it is devel version of next openSUSE. *) It should be really soon: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap Big THANKS -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c47 --- Comment #47 from Petr Gajdos 2010-11-29 17:48:52 UTC --- Fourth milestone is ready to testing: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ Bong Kim, could you please go ahead and test Korean installation? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c49 --- Comment #49 from Bong Kim 2010-12-05 08:05:36 UTC --- By the way, if you can contact the maintainer of OpenSUSE freetype package, please let him/her to compile it with TTF bytecode interpreter and the LCD filtering feature. I believe that the fonts rendering of OpenSUSE can be improved. It is still not as good as Ubuntu(in default state) or Fedora(after freetype-freeworld package added), and I suspect that the OpenSUSE freetype package does not turn on all the bells and whistles. If I remember correctly, the patent has expired and it's free to use bytecode interpreter. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647355#c51 Petr Gajdos changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |RESOLVED InfoProvider|kbn00@hotmail.com | Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #51 from Petr Gajdos 2010-12-20 08:21:59 UTC --- No reply for two weeks. I think main problem is fixed. For issues described in comment 49 please create new bug reports. Thanks for cooperation! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.