[Bug 722457] New: Touchpad tapping disabled by default in KDE
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c0 Summary: Touchpad tapping disabled by default in KDE Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE 12.1 Version: Beta 1 Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: KDE4 Workspace AssignedTo: kde-maintainers@suse.de ReportedBy: martin.schlander@gmail.com QAContact: qa@suse.de Found By: --- Blocker: --- User-Agent: Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; da) Presto/2.9.168 Version/11.51 On a 12.1 beta touchpad tapping is disabled by default. In 11.4 this situation was fixed by explicitly enabling tapping in the synaptiks settings afaik. But with the new synaptiks this apparently got lost. If possible we should probably also reintroduce disabling the touchpad on keyboard acitivity with a timeout of 0.8 secs. (like in 11.4, this nice default setting also got lost with synaptiks 0.7 upgrade it seems). This also raises the issue that synaptiks is not included on the live iso. But coolo said he'd look into that. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Do a fresh install 2. Try to tap the touchpad 3. Actual Results: Tapping doesn't "work". The user will usually think openSUSE/KDE does not support his hardware properly. Expected Results: Tapping should work out of the box. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c1 --- Comment #1 from Martin Schlander <martin.schlander@gmail.com> 2011-11-07 16:55:17 UTC --- Still broken in rc2 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c2 Vinzenz Bargsten <vbargsten@freenet.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |vbargsten@freenet.de --- Comment #2 from Vinzenz Bargsten <vbargsten@freenet.de> 2011-12-25 18:53:33 UTC --- Curiously, tapping (tap=left mouse button) is disabled every login since update from 11.4 to 12.1 in my case. I tried to use OK button and Apply button after enabling tapping but it is disabled again at next login. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c3 René Nieuwburg <r@nieuwburg.info> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P5 - None |P2 - High CC| |r@nieuwburg.info Platform|Other |x86-64 Version|Beta 1 |Final Summary|Touchpad tapping disabled |Touchpad tapping broken |by default in KDE | OS/Version|Other |openSUSE 12.1 --- Comment #3 from René Nieuwburg <r@nieuwburg.info> 2012-02-16 17:16:38 UTC --- Enabling, saving with apply or OK, in the same or a restarted session, with a user that was carried over from 11.3 and with a newly created user, the tapping remains switched off, no matter what. So by not taking serious this annoyance in BETA1 it now has become a fully-fledged bug, it seems. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c4 --- Comment #4 from Vinzenz Bargsten <vbargsten@freenet.de> 2012-02-20 16:38:09 UTC --- It seems that we have mixed up the problems. Martin Schlander points out that tapping does not work out of the box. In my case tapping works and can be enabled but is disabled at each login to kde. I worked around this by loading the synaptics settings with an autostart script. You describe that tapping does not work at all. Have you tried enabling tapping in gnome? Do you have/use the file /etc/xorg.conf? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c5 Michal Papis <mpapis@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mpapis@gmail.com --- Comment #5 from Michal Papis <mpapis@gmail.com> 2012-04-06 18:01:15 UTC --- :+1: tapping should be enabled by default, I had to search through forums to enable tapping via console 12.1(I use xfce): synclient TapButton1=1 I found in fedora forums that adding following lines to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf can solve the problem: Option "TapButton1" "1" Option "RBCornerButton" "3" I had no possibility to test it yet - can not restart any soon. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c6 Martin Schlander <martin.schlander@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|KDE4 Workspace |KDE4 Workspace Version|Final |Beta 1 Product|openSUSE 12.1 |openSUSE 12.2 Target Milestone|--- |Beta 1 --- Comment #6 from Martin Schlander <martin.schlander@gmail.com> 2012-06-06 18:56:37 UTC --- Still valid in 12.2beta. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c Martin Schlander <martin.schlander@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Platform|x86-64 |i686 OS/Version|openSUSE 12.1 |openSUSE 12.2 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c7 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO CC| |tiwai@suse.com InfoProvider| |sndirsch@suse.com --- Comment #7 from Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.com> 2012-06-29 08:00:56 UTC --- Basically we should add the following to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf: Option "TapButton1" "1" Option "TapButton1" "2" Option "TapButton1" "3" These are the default values when the touchpad has no physical buttons. I don't think it's good to add other setups like RBCornerButton. Stefan, what do you think? Can we add these options to xf86-input-synaptics package? Note that KDE and GNOME override the setups anyway by their own tool. So, addition to xorg.conf.d is just a partial solution. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c8 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW CC| |sndirsch@suse.com InfoProvider|sndirsch@suse.com | --- Comment #8 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> 2012-06-29 08:32:27 UTC --- Well, I don't mind how the default is, but I don't want to change the default in the driver back and forth again and again with each and every openSUSE release. In the past there have been voices to have a consistent user experience a) with KDE/GNOME b) other WMs, that don't ship graphical tools to change it c) and the behaviour during installation and the end result was, that we want to have it disabled by default driver-wise. Maybe these voices meanwhile have left the company and/or openSUSE community and we can finally switch to have it enabled by default driver-wise, no matter what KDE/GNOME do with this setting by default. What's the default on current Windows/MacOS operating systems? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c9 --- Comment #9 from Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.com> 2012-06-29 09:03:08 UTC --- (In reply to comment #8)
Well, I don't mind how the default is, but I don't want to change the default in the driver back and forth again and again with each and every openSUSE release.
Yeah, it's bad.
In the past there have been voices to have a consistent user experience
a) with KDE/GNOME b) other WMs, that don't ship graphical tools to change it c) and the behaviour during installation
and the end result was, that we want to have it disabled by default driver-wise.
I think the decision was made rather "to follow upstream". But the upstream default is bad, we distrio should take a position rather "good for users". We must learn from the notorious experience of 12.1 polkit setup for NM...
Maybe these voices meanwhile have left the company and/or openSUSE community and we can finally switch to have it enabled by default driver-wise, no matter what KDE/GNOME do with this setting by default.
Yes.
What's the default on current Windows/MacOS operating systems?
Windows enables tap-to-click on as default, at least, on all preloaded machines I've seen. Not sure how the bare Windows installation behaves, though. On MacOS, tap-to-click is definitely enabled; Mac have no physical buttons :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c10 --- Comment #10 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> 2012-06-29 09:20:51 UTC --- (In reply to comment #9)
In the past there have been voices to have a consistent user experience
a) with KDE/GNOME b) other WMs, that don't ship graphical tools to change it c) and the behaviour during installation
and the end result was, that we want to have it disabled by default driver-wise.
I think the decision was made rather "to follow upstream".
Could be, after we couldn't agree on a consistent default. I no longer remember exactly ...
What's the default on current Windows/MacOS operating systems?
Windows enables tap-to-click on as default, at least, on all preloaded machines I've seen. Not sure how the bare Windows installation behaves, though.
I believe this is true, since I could only find hints via Google how to disable it. ;-)
On MacOS, tap-to-click is definitely enabled; Mac have no physical buttons :)
Well, a lot of hints could be found via Google how to enable this feature, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnml6j3wFsM so it seems to be disabled by default. But how one can click at all without any mouse buttons (I couldn't see any on the video above either) I do not understand either ... My guess is that more users are considering to switch from Windows to Linux than from MacOs to Linux, so the default to have tab-to-click enabled makes sense to me. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c11 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #11 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> 2012-06-29 18:52:08 UTC --- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Fri Jun 29 17:05:54 CEST 2012 - tiwai@suse.de - Fix double-tap LED behavior (bnc#768506) - Enable tap-to-click as default (bnc#722457) submitted to factory. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c12 --- Comment #12 from Martin Schlander <martin.schlander@gmail.com> 2012-06-29 20:42:55 UTC --- Perhaps a silly question, but does factory mean 12.2+1 or also 12.2? Since 12.2 was branched from factory after beta2 iirc. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722457#c13 --- Comment #13 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> 2012-07-01 10:12:22 UTC --- I only submitted it for factory so far. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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