https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c1 --- Comment #1 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-02-21 18:20:54 UTC --- After reboot, the lp kernel module is not loaded automatically. Must type "modprobe lp" as root to be able to print on parallel port printers. Note that the "usblp" module is loaded, USB printers are detected and work as expected. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c3 Silviu Marin-Caea changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Component|Printing |Kernel Resolution|INVALID | AssignedTo|jsmeix@novell.com |kernel-maintainers@forge.pr | |ovo.novell.com QAContact|jsmeix@novell.com |qa@suse.de --- Comment #3 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-02-23 08:54:23 UTC --- I'm changing the bugzilla component to "kernel" and reopening. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c4 Silviu Marin-Caea changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version|Factory |Final --- Comment #4 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-03-13 16:45:05 UTC --- Bug still present in 11.4 final. Quick workaround: add "modprobe lp" in /etc/init.d/boot.local -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c6 Brandon Philips changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |bphilips@novell.com Component|Kernel |YaST2 AssignedTo|kernel-maintainers@forge.pr |bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |ovo.novell.com |ovo.novell.com QAContact|qa@suse.de |jsrain@novell.com --- Comment #6 from Brandon Philips 2011-03-30 18:49:03 UTC --- For all modern machines loading lp is a waste. So, the kernel doesn't do it unless asked specifically to do so. My only suggestion would be to talk to the YAST people and see if it would be reasonable to have a printer configuration option to load and probe parallel drivers. Reassigning to YAST. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c8 --- Comment #8 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-03-31 13:53:41 UTC --- Agree that for most modern machines lp is a waste. But for machines with a parallel printer, the fact that its not working out of the box is just terrible. AFAIR the openSUSE target users are not only sysadmins that know about lp and kernel modules. Also for most modern machines, lp is not a BIG waste. It's just 20k RAM. The ideal solution would be to load it only when a parallel printer is present. For example the YaST printer module might load it before starting detection and put it in /etc/modules.d when a parallel printer has been defined. So choose either the easy or the ideal solution, but the end result should be that parallel printers are working out-of-the-box. There are many laser printers out there that keep running well for many years with perfectly good print quality.. that's what I've got. It's way better that a cheap new inkjet. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c Johannes Meixner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Platform|x86-64 |All OS/Version|Other |openSUSE 11.4 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c11 Brandon Philips changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |jsmeix@novell.com --- Comment #11 from Brandon Philips 2011-04-02 01:23:00 UTC --- (In reply to comment #10)

Why is only lp a waste but parport, parport_pc and ppdev are not?

When there is a parallel port in a machine, why should kernel modules like parport, parport_pc and ppdev be loaded but only lp not?

Do you have a machine with a parallel port? My understanding was that parport never gets autoloaded by the kernel. I could be wrong- I haven't used a machine with a parallel port in a very long time. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c13 Michael Lanczak changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |esddss@t-online.de --- Comment #13 from Michael Lanczak 2011-04-04 13:09:43 UTC --- CUPS with Suse-Linux 11.4 During and after installing of Suse-Linux 11.4 you are not able to get or to enter a connection to a printer. With Suse-Linux 11.3 it works properly, so you see at the CUPS-drivers form at example 'parallel:/dev/lp0 printername'. In version 11.4 you see and can install nothing! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c15 Stefan Seyfried changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|CLOSED |REOPENED CC| |gregkh@novell.com, | |kasievers@novell.com Resolution|INVALID | --- Comment #15 from Stefan Seyfried 2011-04-05 06:49:12 CEST --- Sorry Brandon, INVALID means "User was too stupid to use the software". This is clearly not the case here. It might not be a kernel bug, but it clearly is an openSUSE bug that should be fixed. Kay, Greg, this is something udev should take care of somehow. Any ideas on how to solve this? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c17 --- Comment #17 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-04-05 06:33:46 UTC --- Can you suggest who should create this package and assign the bug to him? Or assign the bug to the distribution maintainer so he can assign it to somebody? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c Silviu Marin-Caea changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |coolo@novell.com |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c20 --- Comment #20 from Kay Sievers 2011-04-20 16:09:21 UTC --- (In reply to comment #19)

Isn't it enough to add the module named "lp" to /etc/sysconfig/kernel:MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT

And it's more than good enough if the YaST printer configuration module performes this change. We can't cover all the 1078 other possible printer configuration possibilities.

Sure, that would be enough to make it work. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c22 Steffen Sobiech changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |steffen.sobiech@gmx.de --- Comment #22 from Steffen Sobiech 2011-05-16 18:03:57 UTC --- I just stumbled across this bug, too, and think it's really annoying especially for new users. As already stated in comment #21, a big argument in favor of GNU/Linux is that it's usually well suited for older machines (i.e. with a parallel port on them). If it can't be fixed in 11.4, this bug should at least stay on the radar for the next release. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c24 --- Comment #24 from Vitaliy Saiko 2011-05-17 13:59:36 UTC --- P.S.: be happy! floppy drive also can not mount in opensuse 11.4, no any i/o operations, led do not lihgting -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c26 Knut Berger changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |carverknut@yahoo.de --- Comment #26 from Knut Berger 2011-07-31 10:28:56 UTC --- Hi there, a comment from another "Joe Regular with parallel port printing": I switched from 11.2 to 11.4 a month ago and still cannot print properly. With 11.2, it was doing fine. I tried to load the lp module as described in #19 - no success. Going back to 11.2 is not really an option, but I need to be able to print documents and I do not want to buy a new usb printer as the present one is working just fine. Question: is there any progress on the issue or do I really have to say goodbye to openSUSE after more than 10 years with various SUSE versions? Best, Knut -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c28 --- Comment #28 from Stefan Seyfried 2011-07-31 17:43:28 CEST --- Knut: what exactly did you do after reading comment #19 to make it work? Without that information, we cannot even judge if you hit the same bug or something completely different. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c30 --- Comment #30 from Stefan Seyfried 2011-07-31 22:53:11 CEST --- So MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT worked. Everything else (not lp-module related) is a different bug. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c32 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |coolo@suse.com AssignedTo|coolo@suse.com |jsmeix@suse.com --- Comment #32 from Stephan Kulow 2011-09-05 10:15:52 CEST --- seriously, this has to go to yast. Yast detects printers during 2nd stage - long before KDE or GNOME can ruin anything. In there it has to check if there is a parport - and if so add lp to MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT. This is not about printer setup, but about module setup. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c34 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #34 from Stephan Kulow 2011-09-13 13:32:48 CEST --- ok, then just close the bug. If the printer module can't add a sysconfig variable if it runs anyway, then it can't be that important. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c36 Lars Müller changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |ke@suse.com |ovo.novell.com | --- Comment #36 from Lars Müller 2011-09-19 14:45:12 CEST --- Karl: Please consider to add the suggested message from comment #35 the next 50 releases. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c38 --- Comment #38 from Lars Müller 2011-09-19 16:08:27 CEST --- @Silviu: Well, going this approach would result in loading the lp kernel module on any system. Which is ok for me. It only consumes 10477 bytes of memory. Please go ahead and file a submit request with the change as suggested in comment # 37! @Karl: Feel free to reassign to Silviu if he doesn't complains in the next 5 seconds. :) +1 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c40 --- Comment #40 from Stephan Kulow 2011-09-20 09:45:41 CEST --- @lars: having the device node in the file system won't trigger anything. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c42 --- Comment #42 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-09-21 12:08:55 UTC --- I confirm the (good) behavior: module lp is loaded only when a job is sent to printer. So, adding commands to create a static device node in the package udev-configure- printer seems the best solution. Precisely these: mknod /lib/udev/devices/lp0 c 6 0 chown :lp /lib/udev/devices/lp0 chmod 0660 /lib/udev/devices/lp0 But if the computer does not actually have a parallel port, could this break anything? I mean wouldn't that introduce delays in YaST printer detection or something of the sort? And another thing: on my 11.4 installation at home, the package udev-configure-printer was not installed by default. I found it installed on a Tumbleweed system. Looking deeper into this, it appears that the package is generated from system-config-printer-1.2.5-4.1.src.rpm. This is printer configuration tool that originates from Fedora. The .src.rpm is the source for a number of packages and udev-configure-printer is one of them. vuntz@opensuse.org appears in the package changelog, so I'll CC him this bug to get his opinion. So, Vincent, what do you think about adding those commands to udev-configure-printer? Does that seem the Right Thing(tm) to you? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c44 Lars Müller changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |jsmeix@suse.com --- Comment #44 from Lars Müller 2011-09-24 15:24:35 CEST --- @Johannes: Please see the question Vincent raised in comment #43. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c46 --- Comment #46 from Stefan Seyfried 2011-09-27 09:20:14 CEST --- Johannes, i surely feel your pain. However, this is not going to get us anywhere. You know the saying about "do not argue with idiots"? Just put "grep -q parport /proc/modules && modprobe lp" into the cups init script and into the yast2 printer module. It won't hurt anyone (those who really care about the 17kB of RAM it uses can blacklist it) and parallel printers will simply work. Arguing with kernel hackers on this issue is just causing you a gastric ulcer and will not help anyone. If the above solution is not doable, I'm willing to create and maintain a package called "fix-parallel-printer-because-kernelhackers-broke-it.rpm" which will load the module (but cups would need to recommend that package). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c48 --- Comment #48 from Johannes Meixner 2011-09-27 08:43:18 UTC --- According to comment #14 such a package is the right solution from a kernelhackers point of view. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c50 --- Comment #50 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-10-24 12:30:26 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=458479) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=458479) Source for package that creates the static node This package will create the static node. I have checked it on OBS, it builds with 0 errors, 0 warnings and makes a noarch.rpm file. Note however, that I'm not an expert packager and this is the first time I have used OBS. For example, although everything seems to build right, I don't know yet why it doesn't appear automatically in my repository, http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/silviumc Someone from SUSE should take over from here, review the .spec file and put the package in the openSUSE 11.4 updates. Is it too late to include in 12.1? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c52 Johannes Meixner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |roland@logikalsolutions.com --- Comment #52 from Johannes Meixner 2011-10-25 08:41:52 UTC --- *** Bug 726018 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726018 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c54 --- Comment #54 from Stephan Kulow 2011-10-25 12:35:10 CEST --- Don't mix issues please and file different bugs. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c56 --- Comment #56 from Roland Hughes 2011-10-25 10:58:48 UTC --- I had a different bug filed and someone flagged it as a duplicate of this bug. I turned up the other problems while attempting to use the thing in an effort to help trouble shoot. Nothing says this isn't "lp loaded incorrectly" or "lp not loading due to shared memory issue". Until a buggy LP being the reason for LP not loading it cannot be ruled out. CUPS seems to be completely trashed once this happens. The garbled print even spills over to my Lexmark Optra S 1855 laser printer once the driver hoses up for the HP. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c58 --- Comment #58 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-10-31 10:35:40 UTC --- So, I made a package that solves this bug for 11.4, Factory and Tumbleweed; see comment #50. Somehow this bug got assigned to me, but because I don't work for SUSE I don't think I'm able push this further down the pipe so the package actually appears in the update repository for 11.4 and is included in 12.1. I'm gonna make some more adjustments so the RPM info follows the style of the official packages, but someone from SUSE has to step in. Johannes, would you? :-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c60 --- Comment #60 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-11-07 06:58:33 UTC --- Until the official fix is ready for 12.1, you could add this repository http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/silviumc/openSUSE_Factory and install the package "parallel-printer-support". It doesn't look like it will work out of the box with 12.1.. hopefully there will be an update. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c62 --- Comment #62 from Roland Hughes 2011-11-10 13:56:53 UTC --- (In reply to comment #61)

FYI:

The next upcomming CUPS version 1.6 will drop serial and parallel backends, see http://www.cups.org/str.php?L3935

This means that from CUPS 1.6 on there will be no longer built-in support for serial and parallel printers so that for such printers one must use a selfmade backend, see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Using_Your_Own_Backends_to_Print_with_CUPS

In general for changes in the upcomming CUPS version 1.6 see http://www.cups.org/roadmap.php?VERSION=1.6

Whoever thought THAT was a good idea was dropped on their head too many times as an infant. There are millions of PP printers still in service used by members of AARP who are NOT technical enough to "use a selfmade backend". You need to freeze CUPS in OpenSuSE to an earlier version until Serial and PP are restored. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c64 --- Comment #64 from Roland Hughes 2011-11-10 15:21:20 UTC --- (In reply to comment #63)

It is basically useless to complain at openSUSE about such issues.

When an openSUSE user finds an issue in a free software package which is not caused by the openSUSE distribution efforts, then the responsibility for the issue is said to lie upstream so that please you the openSUSE users out there speak up at the matching free software upstream forum.

E.g. for CUPS see http://www.cups.org/newsgroups.php

Red Hat and Fedora users post there, Ubuntu users post there,...

If you - the openSUSE users - do not speak up at free software upstream forums, the upstream authors can neither notice that you exist at all nor care about you.

When you speak up please use a tone which is appropriate for public communication and does not insult others.

It is the duty of the downstream developers to bubble up information to upstream developers about how they have completely lost touch with reality. It is also the duty of downstream developers to protect their distro users from such monstrous bungles by freezing packages which have jumped the shark until they either return to reality or have a fork which takes into account reality. There are more than 50 million AARP members. The majority of those members (estimated to be 35-40 million according to AARP) are on ever shrinking fixed incomes using older 32-bit computers. While some of these computers still have their original Windows distro, most have been "refurbished" to use some form of Linux distro so they could meet all of the member's needs without costing anything. These people are, for the most part, non-technical. They send email, surf the Web looking for cheap drug sources, and communicate with other members of their voting block because they are all registered voters. Just because BestBuy didn't sell a PP printer last year doesn't mean dropping support for PP and serial was a good idea. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c66 --- Comment #66 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-11-11 06:50:53 UTC --- Could you also volunteer to push the package that fixes the PP support bug? :-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c68 --- Comment #68 from Stefan Seyfried 2011-11-11 14:43:48 CET --- Package is in project "Printing" and i requested inclusion in Factory. Once this works (I need to figure out if the "Supplements: cups" is enough to get it selected for installation or if we need stronger hints), then I'll try to get it into the 12.1 and 11.4 update channels. Johannes, would it be possible to have the yast2 printer module suggest the installation of "parallel-printer-support"? Or a "Recommends: parallel-printer-support" in the cups.rpm? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c70 --- Comment #70 from Lars Müller 2011-11-11 19:00:35 CET --- With adding "Requieres" it will get impossible to remove the package. As it is optional this would be wrong. I vote for "Supplements". But there might already exist a golden rule for this kind of dependency. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c72 --- Comment #72 from Stephan Kulow 2011-11-13 15:00:57 CET --- the supplements will trigger whenever cups is updated or installed. Otherwise you need to use zypper install-new-recommends. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c74 Stefan Seyfried changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |maintenance@opensuse.org --- Comment #74 from Stefan Seyfried 2011-11-18 16:22:59 CET --- ah, just follow http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Maintenance/Process :-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c76 Benjamin Brunner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED InfoProvider|maintenance@opensuse.org | --- Comment #76 from Benjamin Brunner 2011-12-02 12:46:17 CET --- I'm really sorry for the late reply. Stefan could you do an submit to openSUSE:12.1:Update:Test please? I'll start an update asap. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c78 --- Comment #78 from Ludwig Nussel 2011-12-05 11:36:59 CET --- Uhm, do we really need a dummy package for that? Has anyone considered simply adding a devname alias to the lp module? (e.g. /dev/ppp is magically created that way, see modinfo ppp_generic) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c80 --- Comment #80 from Ludwig Nussel 2011-12-05 14:42:42 CET --- The source needs to have something like MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV(6, 0); MODULE_ALIAS("devname:lp0"); Which results in an entry in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.devname which in turn tells udev to create the node at boot. You can try it manually by adding a line lp lp0 c6:0 to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.devname and reboot. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c82 Ludwig Nussel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |jeffm@suse.com --- Comment #82 from Ludwig Nussel 2011-12-06 09:52:16 CET --- The next kernel update isn't far away either though I suppose. Maybe there are specific reasons why the lp module doesn't have the necessary tag? Let's ask. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c84 --- Comment #84 from Ludwig Nussel 2011-12-09 13:26:38 CET --- Brandom probably wasn't aware that kernel modules themselves can be tagged to create static device nodes automatically. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c86 --- Comment #86 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2011-12-13 11:30:14 UTC --- If there's no volunteer on the module tagging method, at least the dummy package should go through. I would be willing to do the module tagging, but I don't even know where to start. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c Silviu Marin-Caea changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|Kernel |Kernel Version|Final |Factory Product|openSUSE 11.4 |openSUSE 12.2 Target Milestone|--- |Factory -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c89 --- Comment #89 from Roland Hughes 2012-01-17 01:12:29 UTC --- Is this also going to fix the problem with serial ports no longer working? Apple dropped support for BOTH parallel and serial. Or do I need to log another bug? I spent most of yesterday trying to get a serial printer to work. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c91 Jeff Mahoney changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoProvider|jeffm@suse.com |silviu_marin-caea@otpbank.r | |o --- Comment #91 from Jeff Mahoney 2012-04-30 16:27:28 EDT --- Do you have the "parallel-printer-support" package installed? It creates the device node as expected. On my 12.2M3 system, when I access that device node, the appropriate modules are loaded. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c93 Jeff Mahoney changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Major |Critical --- Comment #93 from Jeff Mahoney 2012-05-01 11:34:18 EDT --- Anyway, I'd suggest that parallel-printer-support be merged into the aaa_base package. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c95 --- Comment #95 from Jeff Mahoney 2012-05-09 14:16:52 EDT --- It may work for you but it's the wrong solution. What happens when a system has multiple parallel ports and a printer is plugged into one other than the first one? Fedora doesn't even have a separate project for the files -- it just includes them in the cups package. I think that's the right approach. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c Jeff Mahoney changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|kernel-maintainers@forge.pr |jeffm@suse.com |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c98 --- Comment #98 from Johannes Meixner 2012-05-10 07:31:23 UTC --- Request: #120528 ... State: declined 2012-05-10T09:29:15 jsmeix Comment: One particular use-case of CUPS is to send data to a printer that is connected at the parallel port. But CUPS is not the right package to provide generic enablement of a generic piece of hardware in a computer (here the parallel port). Therefore I decline the request for CUPS, see in particular https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c45 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c100 --- Comment #100 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2012-05-10 07:50:18 UTC --- This looks very good, it could actually make everybody happy! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c102 --- Comment #102 from Jeff Mahoney 2012-05-10 13:07:25 EDT --- (In reply to comment #97)

Jeff: you joined this bug too late. See comment #45 on why we have a separate package... :-)

Indeed. There's a big mess to clean up here. The printer modules have *always* been loaded when the device file was accessed. This hasn't changed. There is no regression in the kernel here. This is how module autoloading worked in the "old days" for nearly everything and that's changed now that we have sane device discovery. This was from the days of a mostly static /dev. In order for lp.ko to be accessed /dev/lp* needs to be opened first. The module will then be loaded automatically. The only other way to do this is to load the module manually, after which udev will create the device files. The first option is the only one that works automatically. Udev is now responsible for creating the device nodes. This is true in either of the debated solutions. It will create them by reading the MODULE_ALIAS attributes and it will create them by copying the files from /lib/udev/devices. In either case, udev is responsible for creating the nodes. The reason I'm pushing for the /lib/udev/devices option is because it's simple. It's a packaging change and one that Fedora has already demonstrated to be working. The MODULE_ALIAS solution will, quite simply, *never* be accepted upstream. It's also a code change for a problem that can be fixed by adding several lines to the spec file. So that makes the choice between maintaining a patch to our kernel, outside of mainline, forever or adding a few lines to a spec file to create the nodes. I think the preference is obvious. Now, to answer Johannes' question: (In reply to comment #101)

I have a question:

What happens if a RPM package contains the udev files --------------------------------------------------------------- crw-r--r-- 1 root lp 6, 0 ... /lib/udev/devices/lp0 crw-r--r-- 1 root lp 6, 0 ... /lib/udev/devices/lp1 crw-r--r-- 1 root lp 6, 0 ... /lib/udev/devices/lp2 crw-r--r-- 1 root lp 6, 0 ... /lib/udev/devices/lp3 ---------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for pasting this chunk. This is actually a bug in my submission. They should be: crw-r--r-- 1 root lp 6, 0 ... /lib/udev/devices/lp0 crw-r--r-- 1 root lp 6, 1 ... /lib/udev/devices/lp1 crw-r--r-- 1 root lp 6, 2 ... /lib/udev/devices/lp2 crw-r--r-- 1 root lp 6, 3 ... /lib/udev/devices/lp3

but on the computer where those RPM package is installed there is no parallel port hardware at all?

The device files are created but accessing them returns -ENODEV or -ENXIO.

Could this cause any kind of errors or udev warning messages when udev tries to create the device nodes even when there is no parallel port hardware?

No. You could populate that directory with random device nodes and udev wouldn't complain.

Could this cause any kind of subsequent problems?

No. Your example isn't a problem.

E.g. might /dev/lp0 /dev/lp1 /dev/lp2 /dev/lp3 exist even on a computer without parallel port hardware?

Yes. But that's the point of all of this. lp can't be automatically detected. It can only be loaded automatically when the device is accessed and to access the device, the device nodes must exist. This is, unfortunately, how legacy devices work. So, in order for parallel printing to work, those device nodes *must* exist. Having them in a separate package is only a good idea if the point of the package's existence is to be Required by multiple printing systems. If we only care about cups, the device nodes should be pulled into the cups package like they are on Fedora. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c104 --- Comment #104 from Johannes Meixner 2012-05-11 07:29:27 UTC --- I don't want to have it in the CUPS package. Still the same reasons as I wrote in my various comments above plus: I do want to have generic hardware enablement separated from a particular user of the generic hardware (here enablement of parallel ports separated from CUPS) so that it is possible to use the parallel port even without CUPS. On any system with a parallel port something like "echo Hello >/dev/lp0" must work regardless if CUPS is installed or not. A separated package which can be required or recommended by any packages that need to access /dev/lp[0123] is perfectly fine for me. In particular cups would recommend this separated package. There must not be a strict RPM requirement for it in cups because cups can work without it. Regarding comment #102 "You could populate that directory with random device nodes and udev wouldn't complain": Why are the traditional legacy device nodes not included e.g. in the udev package or perhaps in aaa_base to provide support for traditional legacy ports in any case out of the box? -------------------------------------------------------------------- # for f in /lib/udev/devices/* ; do rpm -qf $f ; done | sort -u aaa_base-11.4-54.68.1.x86_64 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c106 --- Comment #106 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2012-05-11 07:50:39 UTC --- I have updated parallel-printer-support to create lp0 up to lp3. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c108 --- Comment #108 from Silviu Marin-Caea 2012-05-11 08:37:47 UTC --- To sum up the information up to this point, there are these two options remaining: 1. have a separate package parallel-printer-support that creates the static nodes, and cups has a "recommended" flag for it 2. aaa_base creates the static nodes Who is in charge of aaa_base, so we can ask for an opinion? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c110 Johannes Meixner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO Found By|--- |Community User InfoProvider| |ro@suse.com --- Comment #110 from Johannes Meixner 2012-05-11 09:07:15 UTC --- ---------------------------------------------------------- $ osc maintainer openSUSE:Factory aaa_base bugowner of Base:System/aaa_base : oertel maintainer of Base:System/aaa_base : oertel, philipsb ---------------------------------------------------------- A summary (as far as I understand it): Since openSUSE 11.4 the lp kernel module is no longer loaded automatically and the most important consequence is that therefore printing to a printer at the parallel port does no longer work out-of-the box. The reason is - as far as I know - that up to openSUSE 11.3 the package udev provided the files /lib/udev/devices/lp[0123] so that udev created the device nodes /dev/lp[0123] and when a process opens /dev/lp[0123] the lp kernel module is loaded. As far as I know since openSUSE 11.4 udev does no longer provide the files /lib/udev/devices/lp[0123] so that there is no longer /dev/lp[0123]. I don't know the resoning behind why udev does no longer provide /lib/udev/devices/lp[0123]. Now we have the separated package parallel-printer-support that provides /lib/udev/devices/lp[0123] which works o.k. But we wonder if separated packages are really the best solution to provide support for traditional legacy device nodes. Perhaps it would be better if the package aaa_base provides /lib/udev/devices/... for all traditional legacy device nodes so that on any system the traditional legacy devices "just work" out of the box. Rudi, what do you think about it? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c112 --- Comment #112 from Johannes Meixner 2012-05-11 12:23:18 UTC --- Then let's keep the package parallel-printer-support. Jeff Mahoney, I added you both as maintainer and bugowner to the package parallel-printer-support in the Printing project so that you can work on it directly in the Printing project - if you like. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c114 --- Comment #114 from Jeff Mahoney 2012-05-11 10:49:49 EDT --- Does the 'Recommended' tag mean it gets installed by default when cups gets installed? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c116 --- Comment #116 from Johannes Meixner 2012-05-15 08:11:22 UTC --- Regarding comment #114: See comment #71 and comment #72. I fail to find in the openSUSE wiki where RPM weak dependencies are described. For now I only have http://old-en.opensuse.org/Software_management/Dependencies --------------------------------------------------------------------- Weak dependencies Recommends A weak Requires. A best-try approach is made to fulfill Recommends but they are silently dropped if no match is possible. Suggests Suggests are just hints for an application and not handled during dependency resolution. Think of Amazons Customers who bought this item also bought ... Supplements A reverse recommends. This resolvable will be installed if this capability is provided by an installed resolvable. The dependency resolver will install it. Uninstalling it is silently accepted. Enhances A reverse Suggests. This resolvable can be installed if this capability is provided by an installed resolvable. Its just a hint for an application. I.e. SuSEplugger can suggest packages for installation if a specific hardware is found. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Therefore in parallel-printer-support.spec the line Supplements: cups means (as far as I know) the same as a line in cups.spec Recommends: parallel-printer-support But this does not provide that what I liked in comment #104 --------------------------------------------------------------- On any system with a parallel port something like "echo Hello >/dev/lp0" must work regardless if CUPS is installed or not. --------------------------------------------------------------- because currently "echo Hello >/dev/lp0" works out-of-the box only if CUPS is installed (i.e. on usual installations but not on a minimal system installation). I think in parallel-printer-support.spec a line like Supplements: aaa_base could make it possible that "echo Hello >/dev/lp0" works out-of-the box on any system - and according to comment #102 there should be no bad side-effects. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c118 --- Comment #118 from Johannes Meixner 2012-05-25 11:45:51 UTC --- I am sorry, I forgot to reply to comment #117: Yes, mine and Rudi's ideas what the default should be are in conflict. But for me this is not important. Because we have the separated package parallel-printer-support, whoever decides about the defaults in openSUSE or in SLE can get it implemented only via this one single package. If openSUSE decision makers like to have parallel printer support in any case (even if CUPS is not installed), they could get it via parallel-printer-support.spec without the need to change any other package. If SLE decision makers like to have parallel printer support only if explicitly requested (even if CUPS is installed), they could get it via parallel-printer-support.spec without the need to change any other package. If the way how parallel printer support is enabled changes again, one could adapt only the parallel-printer-support package without the need to change any other package.

From my point of view the issue is perfectly solved now.

Jeff Mahoney, thank you very much for your enlightening background explanations and for your contribution to get it done really correctly in the parallel-printer-support package! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c120 --- Comment #120 from Dieter Jurzitza 2012-05-30 17:55:07 UTC --- Hi folks, I think it is time to speak up now. I personally know five of the three remaining users of parallel port driven printers on linux computers. I do not know where you are taking the guesses about the remaining userbase of parallel printers from - similar to the folks from cups maintenance simply dropping parallel printer support. Sad to say that modern architectures keep creating issues on linux - what is very understandable - but less modern ones start to behave in a similar way :-(. Just my two cents, but your guesses about the userbase may be right for servers - but I bet there are still many users of I.e. good old laser printers with parallel ports - and besides the fading support in each and every OS (why the heck not load lp.ko by default? Who is heart by say 25kByte of wasted memory space? I haven't got an answer on this until now ....) there is no good reason to put them out of operation. Take care Dieter Jurzitza -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673845#c122 --- Comment #122 from Johannes Meixner 2012-05-31 08:11:20 UTC --- Silviu Marin-Caea, many thanks in advance for it! Regarding comment #120: Dieter, you wrote "I do not know where you are taking the guesses about the remaining userbase of parallel printers from". The "you" therein is wrong because it is not SUSE or the openSUSE community who does those guesses. This one single bug report lists already more than 3 users which use a parallel port printer which shows that such a guess is plain wrong. See http://www.spinics.net/lists/hotplug/msg05480.html to see who it actually is. He works now at Red Hat (this information is public available e.g. via Google). And remember comment #63 Regarding systemd/udev see http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd Note that the udev sources will be merged into the systemd sources, see http://www.spinics.net/lists/hotplug/msg05417.html -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.