https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237#c Wojtek Dziewięcki <vdziewiecki@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237#c2 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED InfoProvider|per@opensuse.org | --- Comment #2 from Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> 2012-09-14 14:20:35 UTC --- Hi Wojtek (In reply to comment #1)

Hi Per, from what version did you upgrade to 12.2? AFAIK vixie-cron was last used in 11.3?

I think this box was upgraded from 12.1, maybe 11.[34]. I think you're right that cronie was introduced in 11.4. It's just taken us a little long to find this problem.

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In earlier releases, /usr/sbin/cron was correctly written in lowercase. Well, in which release?

11.[023] for instance.

Are you sure it was written in lowercase?

Absolutely. Here's a log-excerpt from an 11.0 system: # cat /etc/SuSE-release openSUSE 11.0 (i586) VERSION = 11.0 # grep cron /var/log/messages Sep 14 02:55:01 neon /usr/sbin/cron[8027]: (root) CMD ( /root/bin/rsync-backup) # rpm -qf /usr/sbin/cron cron-4.1-172.1 My workstation is still running 10.3, cron is written in lowercase.

http://man.cx/cron%288%29 says: The children copies of cron running these processes have their name coerced to uppercase, as will be seen in the syslog and ps output.

And that is a Vixie Cron manpage... And I couldn't find any patches addressing this in 11.3 or SLE.

The openSUSE man page doesn't mention any such thing.

So I don't think this is a bug, it's just the way that cron behaves.

No, the uppercase clearly appeared with the introduction of cronie. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237#c4 --- Comment #4 from Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> 2012-09-14 14:29:17 UTC --- List of patches - http://en.opensuse.org/Cron_replace#Patches_in_openSUSE_vixie-cron might it be pathnames.diff ? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237#c6 Christian Boltz <suse-beta@cboltz.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |suse-beta@cboltz.de --- Comment #6 from Christian Boltz <suse-beta@cboltz.de> 2012-09-14 21:00:13 CEST --- (In reply to comment #2)

It's just taken us a little long to find this problem.

And this might be a problem in itsself ;-) In this case the question is: Does "fixing" this bug cause more harm than good? Don't get me wrong - in general, I'm all for fixing bugs - but in this case, how many log-analysis scripts etc. (which expect uppercase CRON in the meantime) will we break? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

lowercase cron output in releases 7.x/8.x/9.x/10.x/11.x uppercase cron output in releases 11.4,12.1

There's no way of really answering the question, but probabilistically speaking, the change to uppercase in 11.4 broke more scripts than a change back now will break. 12.1 and 12.2 have not yet been put into production in many places. Well, the change to uppercase in 11.4 broke some scripts, but I believe most of

I think we should revert to lowercase, using the same argument that was applied whenever it was changed to lowercase. And what argument was that? I don't know because I didn't maintain cron back

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237#c8 Wojtek Dziewięcki <vdziewiecki@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |CLOSED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #8 from Wojtek Dziewięcki <vdziewiecki@suse.com> 2012-09-21 11:23:40 UTC --- (In reply to comment #7) them have been adjusted to work with uppercase and now they would be broken again. then, and there is nothing about it in .changes files. So I believe this should be left as is (and not because I'm too lazy to fix it). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780237#c10 --- Comment #10 from Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> 2012-10-06 23:30:39 CEST --- This issue also got discussed as part of a thread at the general openSUSE list. See http://lists.openSUSE.org/opensuse/2012-09/msg00930.html for the starting point. The main argument there is: Debian reverted the change. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=15258 But when you read this defect report you don't find a reason why they reverted it. See also the valid argument Christian provided with his comment #6 Therefore I suggested to discuss this upstream instead of reverting back to the behavior as it was with openSUSE 11.3. Vojtech explained the reasoning already in his reply with comment #1. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.