https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=763641 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=763641#c1 kk zhang changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kkzhang@suse.com AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |i@marguerite.su |ovo.novell.com | --- Comment #1 from kk zhang 2012-05-29 02:09:31 UTC --- Hi,could you please help to have a look at this?I am not very sure whether it is right to assign it to you.Feel free to reassign it.Thank you very much. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=763641 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=763641#c3 Marguerite Su changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |stakanov@freenet.de --- Comment #3 from Marguerite Su 2012-05-30 12:07:16 UTC --- Hi, Stakanov and KK Zhang, 1. which Input Method Engine are you using? ibus-m17n or ibus-pinyin? According to reporter's name and the description of "pinyin(Py17n) mandarine", it seems to be ibus-m17n, am I right? 2. It may be not a bug, but a designed feature (mix input Chinese with English characters). Because Chinese pinyin has _NO_ uppercase characters. Any uppercase characters will be treated as English Characters, thus no "tone symbol" will apply to it. Because English has no "tone symbol". Then the result "Oūzhōu" is right. Because the engine treats "O" as English. Actually it's a mix input result of "O" + "ūzhōu" (on screen O五洲). And ōuzhōu is also right, because the engine treats it as pure pinyin. then the tone symbol applys to the right place, which is on the first character. 3. So actually it's a common influence of mother language to a second language. You may use the English way to input Chinese and think that every character at the beginning of sentences must start with uppercase. Indeed it's not that way in Chinese. Chinese pinyin has no uppercase form and it's not "sentence" either. It's common misunderstanding like some foreigners even think Chinese has "bold and italic" words which is indeed not. Hope you can understand and test, then tell me if I am right. Mark this bnc as needinfo. Marguerite -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=763641 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=763641#c5 --- Comment #5 from Stakanov Schufter 2012-06-05 14:24:08 UTC --- Pinyin in all the openings I own is used with capital letters for cities and political entities. As an example I joined beforehand a pdf scan of: A Learner's Chinese Dictionary Foreign Language Teaching and Research Press, Bejing Chief Editor: Zheng Shupu ISBN: 978-7-5600-7919-6 But all the other openings I do own, included textbooks, use the same convention. Input method is "pinyin (m17n) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=763641 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=763641#c7 --- Comment #7 from Stakanov Schufter 2012-06-05 16:11:34 UTC --- It is because we do not see each other that we do not understand each other, a question of me not being able to express myself correctly. I do not use pinyin m17n for the purpose to write Chinese. I use m17n to create flashcards in a pauker database, and I do actually use it for vocabulary learning lists. I did actually report the bug not because it is important to write in Chinese but because a correction of this issue would allow a teacher writing phonetic learning lists, to be consistent with the openings on the market. If I want to write in Chinese I use the method pinyin. m17n for what I know is exclusively for didactic purposes. Anyway it is not important, one can probably use Latex to work around it, thank you for having lost all that time on the issue. 谢谢，再见 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.