https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User alberto.passalacqua@tin.it added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c121 --- Comment #121 from Alberto Passalacqua <alberto.passalacqua@tin.it> 2009-01-23 07:16:10 MST --- @Michael Meeks: you are in part right with your point about testing. But honestly i do not think that community testing can replace at least a basic internal quality assurance. This issue as various others in openSUSE 11.1 are of such a bad level that should have been found during an simple run of internal test cases. I'm speaking of this problem, of huge memory leaks in beagle, of X instabilities and system freezes at boot or after some days of operation. For these problems you, Novell, can't simply rely on the community and think for good. The community is simply not prepared, and not big enough to do that. Moreover learning is not easy because the documentation on the wiki is missing, which makes the learning process too steep and long. What you are asking (running alphas) is not possible for many: our alpha releases are not usable for everyday use, and in most of the cases they are barely instalallable. In the current situation the most you can expect is some testing in virtual machines of the early pre-release versions and some testing of the final steps (RC) on real hardware by some users with a certain experience. From this to hoping they will find bugs as in systematic testing, there is a huge difference, and systematic testing of key elements is hardly doable at a community level, at least if not coordinated and planned in some way. I think one big change is necessary if you want to rely on the community so much, which is a complete revision of the patch policy. OpenSUSE is still tied to the obsolete idea of releasing security only fixes, which is OK if the initial release is of good level. This has not been not regularly happening since openSUSE was started, and we had often had releases that in principle could be fixed and improved significantly with a relatively small number of updates, which were not done at all, or not done timely, left to wait for approval for months, with the result that users left or were very frustrated. If this is not going to happen, we will always have releases full of problems for their whole lifecycle, and unhappy users. @Karsten Konig: the discussion started here. I know it is off-topic, that it might not be the right place, but for once nobody will suffer for a few post that eventually might bring to a solution to avoid these issues in the future. So, please, be patient. Moving it would mean losing the context, and probably also part of the participants. Regards, A. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.