https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User monkey9@iae.nl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c2 --- Comment #2 from Robby Verberne 2008-07-16 02:27:59 MDT --- The message states: setup can arrange this for you. No setup found. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User chrubis@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c4 Cyril Hrubis changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kasievers@novell.com Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |monkey9@iae.nl Summary|DVD-writer is mounted writeprotected |k3b can't open /dev/sr0 for writing --- Comment #4 from Cyril Hrubis 2008-07-18 04:28:28 MDT --- This doesn't mean DVD is mounted readonly, this says that user has not permission to write to /dev/sr0. What is output from "ls -l /dev/sr0" on my workstation it shows "brw-r----- 1 root disk ..." so it looks like only root is able to burn DVDs. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 Cyril Hrubis changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |kde-maintainers@suse.de -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User we.ha@gmx.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c6 Werner Habel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |we.ha@gmx.net --- Comment #6 from Werner Habel 2008-09-09 09:44:04 MDT --- same issue here with openSUSE 11.0 and latest k3b. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User lists@user-land.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c8 Philippe Landau changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lists@user-land.org --- Comment #8 from Philippe Landau 2008-12-19 16:49:21 MST --- <burndusk> the solution to this was to add the right policy to policykit.conf for the users i want to have burn access -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User colAflash@gmx.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c10 Moritz Duge changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |colAflash@gmx.net --- Comment #10 from Moritz Duge 2008-12-19 18:57:15 MST --- Got the same problem on two machines since updating these from 11.0 to 11.1. I'm kind of sure that the problem didn't existed in 11.0! To proof that I started the 11.0 gnome live cd. There I had acces to my DVD writer as standard user linux without changing anything! The difference I realised between the 11.0 boot cd and my 11.1 systems was that /dev/sr0 on the 11.1 machines didn't hat that acl entry user:myuser:rw- Instead the group permission on the 11.1 machines was set to rw. On the 11.0 live cd it's just r. As a continuous workaround I added setfacl -m 1000:rw /dev/sr0 to /etc/init.d/boot.local 1000 is my user-id. Please fix this soon. Other people may not be so smart, as the people posting here! If you need further information, please tell me! Thanks colAflash -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User cmorve69@yahoo.es added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c12 Christian Morales Vega changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |cmorve69@yahoo.es --- Comment #12 from Christian Morales Vega 2008-12-21 14:11:53 MST --- The ACL is lost when I insert a CD and KDE4 mounts it... not sure if it happens with other desktops. Before inserting a CD: $ getfacl /dev/sr0 getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names # file: dev/sr0 # owner: root # group: disk user::rw- user:reddwarf:rw- group::rw- mask::rw- other::--- After inserting a CD: $ getfacl /dev/sr0 getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names # file: dev/sr0 # owner: root # group: disk user::rw- group::rw- mask::rw- other::--- If after the ACL is lost I manually readd myself with 'setfacl -m u:reddwarf:rw /dev/sr0' the problem isn't repeated. Now I can insert a CD without losing the ACL... until the next reboot. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User felix@derklecks.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c13 Felix Möller changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |felix@derklecks.de --- Comment #13 from Felix Möller 2008-12-22 03:23:22 MST --- same problem here. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User sebastien.rohaut@free.fr added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c15 Sebastien ROHAUT changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |sebastien.rohaut@free.fr --- Comment #15 from Sebastien ROHAUT 2008-12-23 01:21:42 MST --- Exactly the same problem ! Like #12, ACL are modified when inserting a blank cdr or dvdr. I added my user in group "disk" but it shouldn't be the case... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User e.kunig@home.nl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c17 --- Comment #17 from Egbert König 2008-12-23 15:53:10 MST --- Created an attachment (id=262330) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=262330) strace output I have straced the system dbus-daemon, the hald-addon-storage helper for my DVD Burner and the hald-runner. The output is indicating, that the DVD Burner is categorized as removable block medium with a blank DVD-R medium inserted. For this category user access is not allowed in the openSuSE PolicyKit configuration. I could reproduce, that my user permission disappeared as soon as I have inserted a blank DVD-R into the burner while logged in. When the blank DVD-R was sitting in the Burner while logging in, I had user permissions on the device (/dev/sr0) after login. I have changed the file /usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/org.freedesktop.hal.device-access.policy and have allowed access to removable block devices for active_session and inactive_session. After that change my user permission did not disappear on inserting a blank DVD-R into the burner while logged in. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User meissner@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c19 Marcus Meissner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |security-team@suse.de AssignedTo|kde-maintainers@suse.de |lnussel@novell.com --- Comment #19 from Marcus Meissner 2008-12-24 09:31:22 MST --- The ACLs should have been set. reassigning to Ludwig who knows more. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User smartinds@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c21 Segundo Luis Martín Díaz Sotomayor changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |smartinds@gmail.com --- Comment #21 from Segundo Luis Martín Díaz Sotomayor 2008-12-27 09:12:11 MST --- Same problem here. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User detlef@die-mafia.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c23 Detlef Reichelt changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |hiller@mpia.de --- Comment #23 from Detlef Reichelt 2008-12-28 16:07:43 MST --- *** Bug 461322 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461322 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User dieter.jurzitza@t-online.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c25 Dieter Jurzitza changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |DREbs_lnx@swissernst.com --- Comment #25 from Dieter Jurzitza 2008-12-29 02:33:24 MST --- *** Bug 462704 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462704 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User meissner@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c27 Marcus Meissner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |alexander.koenig@koenig-a.de --- Comment #27 from Marcus Meissner 2008-12-30 14:24:48 MST --- *** Bug 463000 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=463000 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User mmccarthy@lojack.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c29 Michael McCarthy changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |alberto.passalacqua@tin.it --- Comment #29 from Michael McCarthy 2008-12-31 10:17:38 MST --- *** Bug 462265 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462265 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User dieter.jurzitza@t-online.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c31 Dieter Jurzitza changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |obelich@gmail.com --- Comment #31 from Dieter Jurzitza 2009-01-01 09:37:03 MST --- *** Bug 462043 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462043 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User kernel01@hailfinger.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c33 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #33 from Carl-Daniel Hailfinger 2009-01-03 05:42:46 MST --- Default policy for removable devices is "no access" and default policy for optical devices is "access". Could the two maybe interact? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User alexander.koenig@koenig-a.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c35 --- Comment #35 from Alexander König 2009-01-03 06:58:06 MST --- Another interesting side note, which might be related to the previous one (#34): When using grip tho create mp3 files from a CD the following behaviour is observed (as long as the user is not member of group "disk"): After initial insert of a CD grip "sees" the tracks on the CD and is able to play them. As soon as you press the "rip" button (rip configuration "grip(cdparanoia)") connection to the CD is lost completely and grip does not "see" the tracks any more. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User kasievers@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c37 --- Comment #37 from Kay Sievers 2009-01-03 20:35:51 MST --- Seems HAL erroneously removes the ACL after the media change detection: Run started ... '/usr/lib64/hal/hal-acl-tool' ... 3410: attempting to get lock on /var/run/hald/acl-list 3410: got lock on /var/run/hald/acl-list 3410: adding ACL's for /dev/sr0 3410: invoking 'setfacl -x u:2702 /dev/sr0' 3410: releasing lock on /var/run/hald/acl-list -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User dieter.jurzitza@t-online.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c39 Dieter Jurzitza changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |trotter@math.gatech.edu --- Comment #39 from Dieter Jurzitza 2009-01-05 11:56:51 MST --- *** Bug 460952 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460952 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User danielstefanmader@web.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c41 --- Comment #41 from Daniel Mader 2009-01-06 09:52:35 MST --- May I ask why we have such a desastrous bug again? Am I the only one doing bug hunting on real machines and not in crippled VMs? But even so: I did not test CD/DVD access, shame on me. This, like the crippled wifi drivers is SERIOUSLY affecting the popularity of our distro, and I am really starting to feel frustrated explaining issues like that to colleagues and friends. Bugs like this should be a ship stopper, and it was opened in july. I can not believe this. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User pagan13@estreet.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c43 Joseph Short changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |pagan13@estreet.com OS/Version|SuSE Other |openSUSE 11.1 --- Comment #43 from Joseph Short 2009-01-06 16:27:42 MST --- I can't believe this bug has been in this release for this long. I looked at /dev/sr0 and found that it is set to group "disk" and only owner and group have read/write access. "Others" is completely blocked. My fix was just to add group "disk" to my userid. I didn't even have to reboot (just make sure you restart K3b). Further, it is a permanent fix (at least for each userid set). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User lnussel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c45 --- Comment #45 from Ludwig Nussel 2009-01-07 01:47:06 MST --- *never* add regular users to group disk. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User lnussel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c47 Ludwig Nussel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|lnussel@novell.com |dkukawka@novell.com Status|ASSIGNED |NEW --- Comment #47 from Ludwig Nussel 2009-01-07 02:11:15 MST --- Problem is caused by commit e72cb4437700b4b34ac5c6de0e30dff8bb0ed89e which adds the "removable-block" access control type to volumes. As long as a CD drive (e.g. /dev/sr0) as no medium inserted hal only has one device object in it's tree and that is /dev/sr0 with access control type "cdrom". If one inserts a medium that device obtains a child with the same device name (/dev/sr0) and with block.is_volume set. That one gets access control type "removable-block". I guess the behavior is undefined if the same device appears multiple times with different access control types. The fdi file needs to be modified to not set "removable-block" on unpartitioned disks where the drive has access control and the same name as the volume. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User lnussel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c49 --- Comment #49 from Ludwig Nussel 2009-01-07 02:17:17 MST --- (In reply to comment #46 from Sven Burmeister)

What do you expect? Users are waiting more than five months for a fix

Whatever the original cause for the bug report was, it was not the problem we see now. The current problem was introduced on Nov 27th. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User hiller@mpia.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c51 --- Comment #51 from Ulrich Hiller 2009-01-07 02:27:27 MST ---

*never* add regular users to group disk.

What would you suggest for a quick workaround until the bug is fixed? What do you think about this: Create a file e.g. '99-udev-default.rules' in /etc/udev/rules.d with 99-udev-default.rules:KERNEL=="sr0", NAME="%k", MODE="666" That makes /dev/sr0 permissions 666 from boot. Is that advisable? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User dave.plater@yahoo.co.uk added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c53 --- Comment #53 from Dave Plater 2009-01-07 06:54:10 MST --- I had this problem way back with 11.0 alpha at some stage but it never made it to bugzilla. I solved the problem of having to reset permissions for /dev/sr0 and /dev/sg0 after every boot by adding user and users to the /dev/sr0 line in fstab and I have never had a problem since. My sr0 line in fstab :- /dev/sr0 /media/dvd auto user,users,auto 0 0 Hope this sorts something out. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User deanjo@sasktel.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c55 --- Comment #55 from Dean Hilkewich 2009-01-07 11:49:47 MST --- (In reply to comment #54 from Alberto Passalacqua)

In answer to comments #46 and #48: this is of course a serious problem, it has been there for a long time, that's true. I am part of the community, and I don't see users running away for this problem, as I did not see anyone reminding this bug during the test phase. So I would define this situation a shared responsibility, at least :-)

Now, the problem is here, let these guys work on it and release a patch without having them to answer to our complaints. It is already pretty clear to them that the problem is serious.

Regards, Alberto

The community did do it's job, it reported the issue. It's the developers job to mark priority, assign, review and fix the bugs on a release. Pestering the developers really shouldn't be a job for the community. Re-evaluation of bugs is again the responsibility of the devels and priorities changed if needed. Nothing more then generating a list of outstanding bugs should be needed to spot issues before release. Also for many people the bug wasn't discovered simply because they could not even install the earlier Alpha's and RC's. This bug is the perfect example of why installation issues have to be addressed as soon as possible. Installer issues should be a #1 priority as if a person cannot install the product they cannot test any further. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User deanjo@sasktel.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c57 --- Comment #57 from Dean Hilkewich 2009-01-07 13:10:33 MST --- And who is putting that pressure on the devels on that timeline? It isn't the community, it's Novell and as such since the community cannot change the timeline it is the responsibility of the people that enforce that timeline to make sure that the QC is maintained. Mailing list should actually be abolished as it offers no steady way of tracking an issue IMHO and does not sync up with bugzilla where bugs can easily be tracked in many fashions. This is why databases were invented so you don't have to rifle though hundreds of thousands of records before finding the right one. If you offer bugzilla as a way of reporting bugs then it should be used as well for determining what bugs need to be fixed. If it isn't utilized in that fashion then the net worth of even offering bugzilla is 0. Reporting bugs in mailing lists is extremely unreliable. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User deanjo@sasktel.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c59 --- Comment #59 from Dean Hilkewich 2009-01-07 14:37:24 MST --- Exactly Daniel, what I think bugs people most about this issue isn't the actual bug itself but how it demonstrated the failure of how bugs are presently being handled. People would like to see a working solution that avoid these obvious pitfalls in the future as it is at the heart of the real issue. The current development model is broken and what has to be addressed is how to fix that first so one can improve and minimize things like this happening in the future. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User alberto.passalacqua@tin.it added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c61 --- Comment #61 from Alberto Passalacqua 2009-01-07 14:44:04 MST --- Hi Daniel, excluding the fact that betas were all installable during 11.1 cycle, because I tried them personally, and I don't consider myself a Linux guru, the schedule is decided on the basis of Novell needs (the openSUSE developers work also on other Novell products), upstream releases and other factors. OpenSUSE has a release cycle of six to eight months, and the next release schedule is being widely discussed on the opensuse-factory mailing list. It is quite unrealistic to ask for a distribution "released when ready": it would be an endless process, with outdated software, which is not what openSUSE users want. Bugzilla should be enough, but if you look at the number of fixed bugs before release you will understand that it is perfectly possible to miss some of the problems. The role of a community is also to check if a bug was fixed and eventually to poke the developer if it is the case. Time is not a problem, because the time spent to complain here is longer that the time required to enter IRC and ask there in the #opensuse-factory channel, where many developers can be found. Don't get me wrong, I know there is a lot of room for improvements in the testing -> fixing process. But at this point we know the bug will be fixed soon. @Deanjo: I agree the process is not perfect. I am looking forward to some realistic proposals on some mailing list where I can read what you suggest. If you have done that already, please link me to it. :-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User vojta.sc@seznam.cz added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c63 Vojtech Zeisek changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |vojta.sc@seznam.cz --- Comment #63 from Vojtech Zeisek 2009-01-08 04:11:35 MST --- The fix with changing of permissions for /dev/sr0 did not work for me. I had to add myself to groups audio, cdrom and disk (openSUSE 11.1, KDE4), I also have problems with playing Audio CDs (no right to play it... - fixed by adding to groups). And KDE4 does not announce the media correctly: when I insert Audio or blank CD, I can only "download pictures with digiKam"... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User larry-m@yandex.ru added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c65 --- Comment #65 from Larry Mahoney 2009-01-08 04:50:05 MST --- (In reply to comment #64 from Danny Kukawka) It would be nice for you to tell everyone, that you're assigned for this bug and _working_ on it. :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User dkukawka@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c67 --- Comment #67 from Danny Kukawka 2009-01-08 05:35:10 MST --- Created an attachment (id=263818) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=263818) Patch candidate Please check if this patch for /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-acl-management.fdi fixes the problem. You need to restart hal after patching the fdi file. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User lnussel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c69 --- Comment #69 from Ludwig Nussel 2009-01-08 09:02:15 MST --- Considering the complaints about inability to burn CDs due to this bug I wonder whether scsi generic access for cdrom drives is still required for burning as acls for those where not affected. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User vendion@charter.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c71 --- Comment #71 from Adam Jimerson 2009-01-08 09:43:25 MST --- I think we may have a winner the second patch candidate works on my openSUSE 11.1 64 bit machine and just turned out a audio machine. The only problem I find with the second patch is that the Device Notifier in KDE 4.1.3 is not made aware of CD or DVDs no matter if they are blank or not, this kind of through me off at first because I thought that the patch wasn't working until I opened K3B. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User vendion@charter.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c73 --- Comment #73 from Adam Jimerson 2009-01-08 11:17:30 MST --- Created an attachment (id=263941) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=263941) lshal on machine with patch If using different machines will work I can provide the lshal without the patch here in a bit. As for the lshal with the patch here is what is on my current machine. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User lmedinas@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c75 Luis Medinas changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lmedinas@gmail.com --- Comment #75 from Luis Medinas 2009-01-08 13:20:04 MST --- bug #462623 seems related also please can anyone confirm and mark as a duplicate. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User ajorgensen@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c77 Andrew Jorgensen changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ajorgensen@novell.com --- Comment #77 from Andrew Jorgensen 2009-01-08 18:44:09 MST --- *** Bug 462966 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462966 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User larry-m@yandex.ru added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c79 Larry Mahoney changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |philippniehues@yahoo.de --- Comment #79 from Larry Mahoney 2009-01-09 02:39:34 MST --- *** Bug 461630 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461630 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 Marcus Meissner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Major |Critical Priority|P2 - High |P1 - Urgent -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User jcs@piments.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c82 Jaques Chitte changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jcs@piments.com --- Comment #82 from Jaques Chitte 2009-01-12 15:51:33 MST --- Sadly, this sort of thing has become typical since Novell took over Suse. There are managerial deadlines set for releases without QA being in place to make sure the "product" is ready to ship. I recall finding a comment with respect to opensuse 10 release that read something like: "bugs will be fixed by dec 6". Someone seems to confuses themself with the Allmighty. Bugs will be fixed when they have had enough time and developer manpower given to them. Belicose management commandments don't frighten bugs away. If management decide a release has to be out in time for Santa to deliver it they need to ensure sufficient resources are made available to finish it. I first got into Suse around 9.2/9.3 , as an everyman distro it was great. I recommended it to several friends who installed and enjoyed it. I kept a suse partition running to support them. I first had doubts about Suse when openSuse 10 came out. Despite the very slick paint job, the engine had major issues. The remaster fiacso was the first sign of bad management. Then there was mounting flash devices O_SYNC leading to early death of many USB storage devices which were nowhere near as cheap and expendable at that time. I lost interest in suse and hoped it would all sort itself out later. I am now looking for a non guru distro to recommend so I installed 11.1 , I was very, very impressed with the install process. Very polished and let me make a several mods to the standard installation without any problems. Sadly, once again, the first impression was not a lasting impression. It seems that unrealistic release deadlines are still being imposed on an under resourced project. All this PolicyKit stuff is simply incomplete and insufficiently tested. All the fancy graphics are nice but this sort of issue is a show stopper. I'm just not prepared to start hacking as soon as I have installed to get basics like this to work. Unbelievable. I'll check in again around suse 12.0 or suse 13.0 in the hope that Novell manage to finish a product before releasing it. In the meantime, good luck. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User jcs@piments.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c84 --- Comment #84 from Jaques Chitte 2009-01-12 16:42:47 MST --- Clearly I installed it because I did not know what state is was in. I installed to evaluate, hoping that 10.x was just adjustment troubles to the new management structure. Sadly it seems german rigour and quality have given way to corporate marketing. I'll take up your suggestion of the ML. regards. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User jcs@piments.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c86 --- Comment #86 from Jaques Chitte 2009-01-13 02:21:07 MST --- What is wrong with the groups approach to this sort of media? Clearly disk group is not appropriate and was suggested by someone who did not realise what it represented. However, The tried and tested linux method is add the user to audio if he requires audio, video if he is to view video formats, cdrw if he is to be allowed to burn cd etc. Does this no longer work on suse? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User swamp@suse.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c89 Swamp Script User changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status Whiteboard| |maint:running:21557 --- Comment #89 from Swamp Script User 2009-01-13 09:26:05 MST --- The SWAMPID for this issue is 21557. Please submit the patch and patchinfo file using this ID. (https://swamp.suse.de/webswamp/wf/21557) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User lnussel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c92 Ludwig Nussel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |arjendragt@gmail.com --- Comment #92 from Ludwig Nussel 2009-01-14 01:15:05 MST --- *** Bug 465184 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=465184 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User meik.piepmeyer@web.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c99 Meik Piepmeyer changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |meik.piepmeyer@web.de --- Comment #99 from Meik Piepmeyer 2009-01-18 06:47:11 MST --- I also ran into this - not while trying to burn, I instead tried to extract an audio cd. So I conclude that a default user has no rights(!) to read from removable media? The fix from #18 worked for me. As this is a real bad bug, may I ask what is currently preventing the release of a patch? Any KDE4 notifier would be a problem with far less importance if it would fix the greater issue. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User meissner@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c101 --- Comment #101 from Marcus Meissner 2009-01-18 11:02:04 MST --- Yes, there will be a patch ASAP. Danny was not available until now and will be back Monday. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User dkukawka@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c102 Danny Kukawka changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #102 from Danny Kukawka 2009-01-19 09:04:25 MST --- YOU can get the upcoming updated package here until it's available via YOU: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home://dkukawka/openSUSE_11.0/ -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User danielstefanmader@web.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c103 --- Comment #103 from Daniel Mader 2009-01-20 02:52:40 MST --- Could you please take the time to mention which package(s) that would be? I mean, it's only 5 days from the creation of the most recent packages in that repo, and it can well take another two months until YOU finally decides it is about time to release something... Thank you in advance! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User lnussel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c105 --- Comment #105 from Ludwig Nussel 2009-01-21 03:30:58 MST --- hal is now also in the update test repo: http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.1-test/ Any positive feedback that this now fixes the cdrom buring problem? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User vuntz@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c107 Vincent Untz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mmeeks@novell.com --- Comment #107 from Vincent Untz 2009-01-21 05:25:36 MST --- *** Bug 467928 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467928 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User christian.jaeger@rub.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c109 Christian Jäger changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |christian.jaeger@rub.de --- Comment #109 from Christian Jäger 2009-01-21 11:01:40 MST --- Works for me, too. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User swamp@suse.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c111 Swamp Script User changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status Whiteboard|maint:running:21557 |maint:running:21557 |marked-ForNextOS11.1:HAL |marked-ForNextOS11.1:HAL | |maint:released:11.1:22089 --- Comment #111 from Swamp Script User 2009-01-21 17:50:59 MST --- Update released for: hal, hal-debuginfo, hal-debuginfo-32bit, hal-debuginfo-x86, hal-debugsource, hal-devel Products: openSUSE 11.1 (debug, i586, ppc, ppc64, x86_64) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User aj@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c112 Andreas Jaeger changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |bperry@novell.com --- Comment #112 from Andreas Jaeger 2009-01-22 01:53:29 MST --- *** Bug 458091 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=458091 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User timlee@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c114 Tim Lee changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |timlee@novell.com --- Comment #114 from Tim Lee 2009-01-22 11:37:14 MST --- *** Bug 468096 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468096 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User cdb@dds.nl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c116 chris de boer changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |cdb@dds.nl --- Comment #116 from chris de boer 2009-01-22 23:55:51 MST --- (In reply to comment #41)

May I ask why we have such a desastrous bug again? Am I the only one doing bug hunting on real machines and not in crippled VMs? But even so: I did not test CD/DVD access, shame on me.

This, like the crippled wifi drivers is SERIOUSLY affecting the popularity of our distro, and I am really starting to feel frustrated explaining issues like that to colleagues and friends.

Bugs like this should be a ship stopper, and it was opened in july. I can not believe this.

I agree completely with you; these things drive people back to microsoft; (take a look af beta-7; all linux distros can learn from it;) After replacing cdrtools and dvd+rw-tools with the original in openSuSE 10.2 I successfully made a daily back-up onto blu-ray discs. In 11.1 . . .well, disaster (mind you NO harware changes). By teh way: every 2 or 3 days a complete freeze of 11.1 I have to reset the pc. I never experienced that with SuSE before. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User mmeeks@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c118 --- Comment #118 from Michael Meeks 2009-01-23 02:34:28 MST --- Philippe - if you don't help test OpenSUSE before it is released, then you will inevitably find bugs after it is released that we don't have time to fix in the release [ duh ;-]. Of course the good news is that the 'swamp' stuff above means that an on-line update is winging it's way to you through the update process [ I think ]. I would strongly suggest that you contribute testing for the 11.2 cycle ahead of time - one of the best ways is to run Factory & file bugs against that - try turning up to some of the open OpenSUSE team meetings too - you'll soon find out that if there is any conspiracy - it is to make the best OpenSUSE possible :-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User cdb@dds.nl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c120 --- Comment #120 from chris de boer 2009-01-23 07:09:17 MST --- not a bug ? not a bug ?? Please tell me how it is that in 10.2 i could daily back-up to blu-ray and in 11.1 not ! I'm desperately seeking for a solution: - could it be due to old udf ? - could it be due to wrong cdr-tools (see the real author on that !) - could it be due to libc.so.6 ? - could it be due to .. . . ? Well, I am not an expert but I am trying to solve it, be it as mentioner of possible causes. Latest nero for linux burns Ok, latest growisofs (use-the-force-luke was the solution in 10.2)burns it Ok but 11.1 won't let me (root) mount it. One must -t the filesystem, well udf: to no avail, iso9660 to no avail. This must be a bug or I will downgrade to 10.2 (like vista-users do to XP) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

From 31 december 2008 I have to reset (what ? reset linux ??????)

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User cdb@dds.nl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c122 --- Comment #122 from chris de boer 2009-01-23 07:22:55 MST --- Yes, I did mention earlier the spurious hang-ups of 11.1 No logs, no, nothing that can be taken as a cause, simply dead . . . the pc. Can you understand that I am considering moving back to 10.2 ? Since 6.4 (first linux experience) i had NEVER had to reset the pc, it just ran and ran for years. What's happening to SuSE ? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User danielstefanmader@web.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c124 --- Comment #124 from Daniel Mader 2009-01-23 12:20:37 MST --- In reply to comment #123 from Karsten: The patch came out only some hours ago. Having updated rpm is some non- or semi-official home:repo is NOT to be considered an update... In reply to comment #121 from Alberto: 1000000% Ack. The openSUSE project in its current state is only half-hearted. During alpha and beta releases alone it is impossible to find all important bugs as we have seen in the past. But actually, I don't know of *any* distribution which succeeds here. So this is not an openSUSE problem in itself. Yet it becomes on since others have a *much* more userfriendly approach with fixing bugs in the final release, too. And that usually very quick. However, whenever the bug fixing topic is raised, it is usually squashed by some stupid pseudo-argument that users rely on stability. No. That's wrong. Very wrong. I honestly have to admit that I will wander off, too, to some other meta-distribution if this won't change. Our present and past clinging to certain released versions, no matter how buggy and unstable those were, is downright ridiculous. I can live with bugs, and I do accept bugs in final releases. I do not accept having to wait for the next final release to get official patches to issues which are either already fixed upstream or internally for the SLE series. Simply, because the next final release will have other bugs again. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User dkukawka@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c126 --- Comment #126 from Danny Kukawka 2009-01-23 13:46:46 MST --- I have to say it the third, and hopefully the last, time: Please stop this kind of discussion in bugzilla. This is neither a mailing list nor some kind of forum. This tool is about bugs, nothing more. Everything else makes it impossible for developers to work on bugs. STOP SPAMMING bugzilla and my mailaccount with such stuff or I may have to request a change of the permissions to the bug! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User alberto.passalacqua@tin.it added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c128 --- Comment #128 from Alberto Passalacqua 2009-01-23 19:58:17 MST --- Last post here, I promise. I just answer. @Danny: We are pointing out some problems and you do not like it. Discussing this here or elsewhere won't make any difference, I'm sorry, because "the decision makers" won't even consider it, they never did in the past. And there is no reason why discussing it here for once, even if off-topic, makes your bugfixing impossible. The bug is fixed, if you are so annoyed you can unsubscribe. @Karsten: ML are obsolete, only a few users read it, and I personally stopped. Goodbye -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User dkukawka@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c130 --- Comment #130 from Danny Kukawka 2009-01-24 02:08:20 MST --- (In reply to comment #128)

@Danny: We are pointing out some problems and you do not like it. Discussing this here or elsewhere won't make any difference, I'm sorry, because "the decision makers" won't even consider it, they never did in the past. And there is no reason why discussing it here for once, even if off-topic, makes your bugfixing impossible. The bug is fixed, if you are so annoyed you can unsubscribe.

This kind of discussion in bugzilla helps nobody. You can use some opensuse ML for this kind of political discussion, there are many so called "decision makers" subscribed to which can and will answer you. Bugzilla is simply not the place for this kind of non-technical discussion! This kind of dicussion started long time before the bug and the package was fixed. And this isn't only annoying, it interfere with the goal of bugzilla: fixing the bug. This bug was assigned to me at a time as I was, like many other developers, still on vacation (which don't mean we don't work on bugs in our free time). That's maybe bad timing, but please keep this in mind. And since I'm the bug owner, I can't simply unsubscribe from this bug. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User marix@marix.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c132 Matthias Bach changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |marix@marix.org --- Comment #132 from Matthias Bach 2009-01-24 03:42:33 MST --- Removing my votes for this bug to no longer get spamed by non-sense political discussions. There is places like these to talk about technical problems and places to talk politics. If you have a problem with novell talk to them in the places made for it or don't use their products, but don't spam the inboxes of people that have other things to do. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User lnussel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c134 Ludwig Nussel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #134 from Ludwig Nussel 2009-02-09 01:47:14 MST --- If you still see such a problem on a fully patched system (and reboot after update installation) the reasons for the problem are most likely different. I'd suggest to open a new bug report and keep this one closed. Don't forget to attach lshal output to the new report. Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User meissner@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c136 --- Comment #136 from Marcus Meissner 2009-02-19 06:10:33 MST --- Guenther: rpm -q hal and post the result here -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 User meissner@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252#c138 --- Comment #138 from Marcus Meissner 2009-02-19 07:34:48 MST --- since this is a different bug, please open a new bug. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.