Dear Ken.

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Marcus Moeller 12/04/12 7:37 AM >>> Am 04.12.2012 02:28, schrieb Andy (anditosan): Wallpaper Contest Guidelines

This is an official announcement of the wallpaper contest for openSUSE 12.3.

Submissions are made to artwork team's flickr page

http://www.flickr.com/groups/opensuse-artwork/

Before the contest really gets under way, I thought I'd make a casual assessment of the 151 submissions currently in the group, against the criteria currently posted in the group

Of the 151 submissions 78 have licenses which prevent their use as wallpapers in the distribution http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Accepted_licences

It has been my experience that when you pick a picture for inclusion in a release and contact the author they will allow you to use the proper license. It is a natural response not so simply give all rights to everything you do when it comes to photography but almost always there is no problem to change the license.

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Of the remaining 73 I cannot find a single example which matches your stated minimum resolution, and many more breach other criteria, such as the use of text (often mentioning openSUSE 12.2)

Yes, this is always going to be the case. This is why we include rules - otherwise everyone would do whatever they want. Naturally every rule can be broken so we shouldn't ONLY follow the rules but we should weed things out after a while and explain why we are doing it.

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So all in all, I question the need for this 'voting committee' to hand pick submissions - I can't find any we can use, by your own criteria.

You wouldn't allow just *anyone* to submit code, you review it before inclusion. Those who review it are considered "experts" at whatever they do or you would not allow them to review it. I see no difference between that process and the one we are trying to start here. We need a group of informed, skilled artists to lead this community, help it grow, review submissions and help improve submissions. Simply allowing every to pitch in their 10 cents will not lead to success.

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As an aside, I think the criteria listed could do with some improvement, but it is a good place to start - did I miss the discussion where these criteria were finalised? Seems weird to change the criteria after the contest has been launched but I think it'll be necessary.

I posted the criteria to the list and asked for suggestions. No changes were suggested so they were included on the flickr page. At first there were no criteria (which is where most of the wallpapers with logos on them come from). We can definitely change the criteria but we should not without a good reason which has been discussed.

I think they are a good base. You clearly stated that the logo should not be used, but it does not seem the usage of 'modified' versions of the openSUSE branding (which are not even allowed afair). Greets Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Am 05.12.2012 06:15, schrieb Rajko:

On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 13:25:10 +0100 Marcus Moeller wrote:

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I think they are a good base. You clearly stated that the logo should not be used, but it does not seem the usage of 'modified' versions of the openSUSE branding (which are not even allowed afair).

Not allowed?

There is only one thing that one can't do - change logo as defined in registration, and still claim - it is logo. The rest is a freedom of artist to reuse ideas.

Now what is exactly registered by USPTO.

There is a new filing that protects shape, in particular curly tail, and not any particular color: November 6, 2012 (not yet registered) http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4004:ppe4ml.2.1

This is protected word OPENSUSE: January 23, 2007 http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4004:ppe4ml.2.2

This is old and still valid registration: February 27, 2007 http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4004:ppe4ml.2.3

For exact details one would need a lawyer that can tell what is protected OPENSUSE, or any combination of letters that make word "opensuse", like opensuse, openSUSE, OpenSUSE, oPeNsUsE etc.

Please take a look at: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Artwork_brand I was not talking about any legal aspects. These needs to be checked by lawyers, of course. I was talking about the project guidelines for branding. Greets Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

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http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines

Not sure what would be forbidden there, with exception of illegal use of trademarks; without asking owner, but to some extent we are the owner :)

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http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Artwork_brand

That is in plain text what is currently registered. Very narrow as it is in registration.

Also, there is nothing telling that stylization can't be used, just that is not logo anymore.

New request is much wider and much of: http://en.opensuse.org/File:Opensuse-donts-preview.png will be logo. In other words deformations, additional text, different colors, even images that are chameleons or iguanas with swirly tail will be considered logo :) (Although this will come in a year or so.)

The above image is taken from the page I have linked and is already valid now. It clearly states not to modify the logo in the listed ways. We might re-thing about the coloring, at least in forms of differnt shades of green and transparency, but that's all. This should not restrict creativity in general but it makes sure that we create a reliable brand. Of course, pictures of chameleons or even different chameleon designs can be used (even if I personally don't suggest to do so), but no variations of the logo are allowed. Greets Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Dear Rajko.

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New request is much wider and much of: http://en.opensuse.org/File:Opensuse-donts-preview.png will be logo. In other words deformations, additional text, different colors, even images that are chameleons or iguanas with swirly tail will be considered logo :) (Although this will come in a year or so.)

The above image is taken from the page I have linked

Right. Where it belongs is visible from other text and that is the reason I did not link only image, but File:Opensuse-donts-preview.png .

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and is already valid now. It clearly states not to modify the logo in the listed ways.

One more time:

It tells that logo can't be modified. Currently you can't use blue Geeko and tell it is openSUSE logo.

Point 3 in the image: "Combine with other elements to form derivative logos" is wrong.

How subproject of openSUSE can point out relation with openSUSE if it can't use logo to create derivative logo? Using what image? Of course, if you are developing for unrelated project and want to use Geeko as part of your logo, that will not work without openSUSE permission. That doesn't apply for projects that are part of openSUSE.

As mentioned earlier, you can of course use a chameleon that is not the geeko in your designs (which I still won't suggest). You can also use the Geeko separately from the logo title. If you come up with a concrete example, I might help you to solve it. Greets Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org