Humm pretty interesting ! For me is new info that LibreOffice splashes were designed with openSUSE and SLED in their minds. Do you know if they did others things with openSUSE and SLED in their minds, I mean, some integrations like LibreOffice and gnomeshell, evolution, contacts... I'm looking for some LibreOffice advantage when running under openSUSE/SLED instead of other platform. Does it have? 2012/3/21 James Mason :

On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 11:30 +0100, Petr Mladek wrote:

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What is your opinion?

My opinion is that we should stop screwing with the application splashes.  THe GIMP team in particular puts a great deal of effort into making their splashes.  The LibreOffice splashes were designed with openSUSE and SLED in mind, while still being consistent with the Windows version, for branding value.

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:01:09 -0600 "James Mason" wrote:

On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 11:30 +0100, Petr Mladek wrote:

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What is your opinion?

My opinion is that we should stop screwing with the application splashes. THe GIMP team in particular puts a great deal of effort into making their splashes. The LibreOffice splashes were designed with openSUSE and SLED in mind, while still being consistent with the Windows version, for branding value.

Programs themselves are changed to run on openSUSE, during package build, so it is fair to mark version with own splash. To be modest we can only add openSUSE logo changed to fit in splash. I liked local version with splash when I was following GIMP development, having stable openSUSE version and buggy upstream development. Of course, I know that there are many other methods to start exactly version that you want and I use them, but splash was and is additional assurance. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday 26 March 2012 00:05:19 Bryen M Yunashko wrote:

On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 19:00 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:01:09 -0600

"James Mason" wrote:

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On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 11:30 +0100, Petr Mladek wrote:

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What is your opinion?

My opinion is that we should stop screwing with the application splashes. THe GIMP team in particular puts a great deal of effort into making their splashes. The LibreOffice splashes were designed with openSUSE and SLED in mind, while still being consistent with the Windows version, for branding value.

Programs themselves are changed to run on openSUSE, during package build, so it is fair to mark version with own splash. To be modest we can only add openSUSE logo changed to fit in splash.

I think James brings up a good point. I've always been curious about exactly why we (or anyone out there) does this. I cn certainly get it when in use of Rajko's explanation, but do we really change these programs? Is something as simple as "change the defaults and then package" all that is defined as "change"? I don't think so. it doesn't change the program itself, only its behavior.

So, in the example of GIMP, what have we done to change the program? I'd like to know more about this.

Little, we package and ship it and probably apply some patches. But all that's a fair amount of work. Moreover, the integrated branding gives openSUSE a more polished, professional and integrated feel. Basically, I think the splashes (and other branding we do, and shipping theme integration stuff like oxygen-gtk, common icon themes etc) are what makes the difference, towards the user, between a random, loose collection of software and an integrated OS. I therefor think that yes, we should do this branding. Even though most if not all app authors put a lot of work in their splash, I think this is too valuable to not do. Just my cents...

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I liked local version with splash when I was following GIMP development, having stable openSUSE version and buggy upstream development. Of course, I know that there are many other methods to start exactly version that you want and I use them, but splash was and is additional assurance.

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:45:25 -0500 Bryen M Yunashko wrote: ...

I think that vagueness is exactly why the question is being brought up. I get what you're saying, but at the same time, a lot of double-speak. (Congratulations, you're a true marketer! hehe)

I don't see vagueness. It is exactly how it is. Effort to create distribution is small comparing to writing all software included, but that is still a lot of work and skills.

... I'm not opposed to these app splashes per se, but if we're going to claim branding on it, we probably need to start backing it up with qualified information.

It should be enough that is compiled and installed as integral part of distribution. There is no need for better qualification. That other don't change splash tells that they have no resources to do so. Although, we can have openSUSE branded splash that is lesser intrusive than current method to replace originals. Placing original in a openSUSE branded frame with Geeko in one of corners will be win for both. Original image will be still there, and openSUSE artist have to create only 1 (one) frame and apply it on all splashes that we can find. Besides lesser effort, it will be symbolic message, that it runs within openSUSE.

... "What is different about openSUSE GIMP versus my own distro's GIMP?"

openSUSE GIMP runs on a better platform :) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org