Am 06.12.2012 20:12, schrieb Andres Silva:
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On Dec 6, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Marcus Moeller <mail@marcusmoeller.ch> wrote:
Am 06.12.2012 18:45, schrieb Kenneth Wimer:
On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Marcus Moeller wrote:
Hi andi.
<pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 2012-12-03 18:28:05 (-0700), Andy (anditosan) <anditosan1000@gmail.com> wrote: > Wallpaper Contest Guidelines
Hi Andy. Sorry to be late to pick this thread up, but it's needed, I think.
> This is an official announcement of the wallpaper contest for > openSUSE 12.3.
I'd like to stop you right here. If you call a one-man-action that has not been discussed with the other contributors of the artwork team an "official announcement", there is clearly an issue.
No problem. Please take the contest in your team's hands and run it. It really feels like a one man's show because you have not been part of the conversations taken at the artwork team's chat. I can't help with that. But if you don't like it, I can understand. I called it official mostly because it is the artwork team that runs the contest. If it was not official, then what is?
If it has not been discussed in an official meeting or on the mailinglist it did not happen at all.
Please point out the logs to the meeting where this has been discussed.
First off, if there is blame to go around you can give me a big helping of it. From my experience leading an artwork community, I suggested several ways of improvement which cost nothing more than a little bit of work selecting what we want.
There is a difference between a contest for *the* wallpaper and a contest for wallpaperS for the next release. I in no way intended this to become a contest for *the* wallpaper, just a good way to get lots of nice new images and grow our community.
I did discuss this on irc as well as on the mailing list. Check the archives.
To be honest, I have watched the openSUSE artwork community for the last 6 months and thought that there was a problem. Design by committee does not work - it will never produce the best results. The mailing list seemed pretty silent, chat was only discussing daily issues so I tried to step in a "give it a kick" so to speak. I wanted to offer my experience as information and perhaps some small deeds (I really am busy at work having just started). I was asked to step in and help with a few things when there was nobody else to do them (working for SUSE has advantages and disadvantages :P) so it is not like I want to push my agenda or such, I really just want to help where needed.
I think that this team does need some kind of leader. That leader is 100% likely NOT to be the one producing the design for each release, nor deciding on the direction him/herself, etc. That leader should simply herd the cats, check the boxes, encourage people, and help the team grow. Andy said he would like to give it a shot, nobody had any good reasons against it (again, on the mailing list) and then things, unfortunately, went a bit silent for a while.
Definitly No!
I trust in leaderless communities.
You mentioned that you are watching the team for 6 month. Maybe this should have been more. Have you ever took part in a release cycle for oS?
For me, you are just a new contributor in this team, like anyone else. I don't care if you work for SUSE or not.
If you contribute, you will earn 'credits'.
We have had enough talkers in the past few years.
Greets Marcus
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And it is on that rola that I was acting. Maybe Marcus did not know about that, hence his comments tend to point out to the unreasonable responsibility attribution. That is why I think we need to define ourselves.
Hmm, cannot find any design proposals by you (yes, I am talking about art, not words).
I had the impression, likely wrong, that this Contest could define which would be the one wallpaper for the default. Apparently, that is not the case in everyone's mind and that is understandable. However, we can at least define what wallpapers will be part of a collection of wallpapers that open-openSUSE can use in the future. I personally think that I community should have leaders or some sort of organization. Many of us think that I need or is not someone who cannot be willing to help others or understanding of the contributions that other members. On the subject is over leaderless community I think it is important to understand that if we don't have any type of organization and then anybody can take attributions for himself thinking that he only their contributions are beyond anyone else's. It is also another thing of our team that we don't have people who are capable enough to make the type of contributions of others do but they need to have an equal opportunity to make a contribution anyway. So in this case Marcus and others have the understanding to make contributions be pushed through factory and make them to defaults on the community. But that again negates the possibility that others can make a contribution based on discussion with less understanding. Making it so that only those who have the knowledge to contribute are able to contribute and those who cannot should not contribute.
What lead you to this assumption? I have not pushed anything to factory without discussing it. The KDE ppl have just decided to work on the plasma theme in factory. I was not involved in that and I was the one who brought them back here.
Let's define ourselves more and also let's define whether we can continue working on this wallpaper contest.
Have you even read my previous mails? I have suggested several different proposals how to organize this team (without the need of leaders). We can agree on processes together. (like the poll on the irc channel merge). Greets Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org