On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Marcus Moeller wrote:
Am 06.12.2012 18:45, schrieb Kenneth Wimer:
On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Marcus Moeller wrote:
Hi andi.
<pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 2012-12-03 18:28:05 (-0700), Andy (anditosan) <anditosan1000@gmail.com> wrote:
Wallpaper Contest Guidelines
Hi Andy. Sorry to be late to pick this thread up, but it's needed, I think.
This is an official announcement of the wallpaper contest for openSUSE 12.3.
I'd like to stop you right here. If you call a one-man-action that has not been discussed with the other contributors of the artwork team an "official announcement", there is clearly an issue.
No problem. Please take the contest in your team's hands and run it. It really feels like a one man's show because you have not been part of the conversations taken at the artwork team's chat. I can't help with that. But if you don't like it, I can understand. I called it official mostly because it is the artwork team that runs the contest. If it was not official, then what is?
If it has not been discussed in an official meeting or on the mailinglist it did not happen at all.
Please point out the logs to the meeting where this has been discussed.
First off, if there is blame to go around you can give me a big helping of it. From my experience leading an artwork community, I suggested several ways of improvement which cost nothing more than a little bit of work selecting what we want.
There is a difference between a contest for *the* wallpaper and a contest for wallpaperS for the next release. I in no way intended this to become a contest for *the* wallpaper, just a good way to get lots of nice new images and grow our community.
I did discuss this on irc as well as on the mailing list. Check the archives.
To be honest, I have watched the openSUSE artwork community for the last 6 months and thought that there was a problem. Design by committee does not work - it will never produce the best results. The mailing list seemed pretty silent, chat was only discussing daily issues so I tried to step in a "give it a kick" so to speak. I wanted to offer my experience as information and perhaps some small deeds (I really am busy at work having just started). I was asked to step in and help with a few things when there was nobody else to do them (working for SUSE has advantages and disadvantages :P) so it is not like I want to push my agenda or such, I really just want to help where needed.
I think that this team does need some kind of leader. That leader is 100% likely NOT to be the one producing the design for each release, nor deciding on the direction him/herself, etc. That leader should simply herd the cats, check the boxes, encourage people, and help the team grow. Andy said he would like to give it a shot, nobody had any good reasons against it (again, on the mailing list) and then things, unfortunately, went a bit silent for a while.
Definitly No!
Unless the artwork decides it you mean? Just a joke, but it is all about tone :-)
I trust in leaderless communities.
Then why does openSUSE have a board? Leaders are not bad. Maybe in our case the term "leader" is incorrect. Maybe it should be called "release maintainer" (for our teams efforts)…anyway...
You mentioned that you are watching the team for 6 month. Maybe this should have been more. Have you ever took part in a release cycle for oS?
While I have done all the artwork and a large part of the packaging thereof for more than 21 releases of both SUSE and Ubuntu I have only recently started working on oS. Luckily I did, or else a couple of the marketing things that almost slipped the radar or where too technically challenging got done on time. The team probably doesn't realize it though because I never mentioned it on the list. So I have already contributed and intend to help where I can when possible.
For me, you are just a new contributor in this team, like anyone else. I don't care if you work for SUSE or not.
Yes, I agree! I also mentioned that in the email I sent to the list introducing myself.
If you contribute, you will earn 'credits'.
Right, it is a meritocracy, I get that. Note that I, in no way, wish to lead the artwork team or such nonsense, that used to be part of my job :-)
We have had enough talkers in the past few years.
Honestly, there are only a handful of people who have the experience I do in designing linux desktops. I only want to leverage that to help this team. I think that for the time being I will take a back seat and let things play out. No need for me to cause a commotion where it is not needed or desired. Kenneth Wimer -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org