Hi all, We will have two public rounds of the recent arm survey results TODAY at 10:00 UTC and 16:00 UTC. We will be meeting at https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting If you want more info, please view the article about it at https://news.opensuse.org/2020/12/01/opensuse-release-team-to-share-results-... Here are the minutes from a recent meeting about the topic below. v/r Doug All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting Participants: dimstar, dirk, lkocman, a_faerber, maxlin, guillaume_g, ddemaio The survey template for the future: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/survey-armv7-suggestions Q: Which ARMv6/ARMv7/ARMv8 (aarch64) hardware are you using? The option 'AArch64 based general purpose (e.g. Mustang, ThunderX/X2, Any UEFI AArch64 platform, aarch64-laptops, other) (SQ05)' contains a lot of choices. We need to break it down to the future. UEFI/aarch64 covers a huge - U-Boot implemented UEFI, too. Perhaps other with text field would help. Q: What distributions do you use on your ARMv6/v7/aarch64 Hardware? Ideas: custom image can be misleading as it could be modified Leap 15.1/15.2/TW image or also unlisted item (JeOS). The original idea was a self-built image containing non-standard patches/package- set/configuration. Andreas: mention Kubic next time? (cf. 211 for G01Q06) consider MicroOS, too? Q: How long are you using openSUSE on ARMv6/v7/v8 already? Growth from 36 - 124 over past 4 years Q: In case you selected Leap, what is the reason for that? Andreas: Some comments look like people don't know that we have aarch64 TW images? cf. 151 for G01Q06 Dirk: we need to invest little bit more into getting Leap (on Arm) right. Q: Would you be okay with migrating your existing Leap installation to openSUSE Tumbleweed? we somehow missed ARMv8/AArch64 but that was due to the description which was ARMv6/7 specific. Andreas: perhaps split questions into two. If you run Leap would you consider Leap question yes/no and vice versa (or split by architecture). Q: Please share us with any information you might want to add in addition. We need to do more marketing/blog posts around aarch64 Raspberry Pi (RPi4 in particular) Lubos: perhaps make a blog post with summary of our userbase and summarize current Arm situation in openSUSE project (what's available and what not). * Sound for Raspberry Pi 4 requested, let's make sure that plan is mentioned in the blog post. Not yet tracked by SUSE for backporting to SP3? Dirk: suggests to do a user case specific blog post for raspi-pi4 (e.g. first contact with opensource world, or computer for kids). Perhaps use the trend of RPi 400. Andreas: someone should test the RPi400 if we do the blog post. Andreas: can we do something so that openSUSE is perceived as more fine-tuned for Raspberry Pi? So it's comparable to e.g. raspbian Guillaume: I think this could be video decoding. Andreas: config tool on Raspbian for editing config.txt - consider a YaST Raspberry Pi module similar to raspi-config? Multilib on aarch64: apps like citrix seem to require 32bit libs. Can we ship multilib on Arm? Guillaume: Rasp Pi4 is capable of running both 32/64bit libs, but some Armv8 hardware are 64-bit only and would need ILP32. (zypper does not allow to install armv7 rpm packages on aarch64) - Andreas: note that ILP32 libs would not help Citrix apps, right? G: ILP32 would not help for 32-bit libs and ILP32 is unlikely to reach upstream. Andreas: -32bit packages seen for ilp32 project, do we need to enable this via some setting? (careful: do not confuse AArch32/armv7 and ILP32 here, we'd need aarch32 in a way that doesn't rule out ilp32 in the future). G: Please do not enable ILP32, there is no support upstream! Dirk: 32bit builds are in fact done on ARMv8 (Andreas: and hopefully not picking up Armv8 features) Andreas: While Raspberry Pi 1 is no longer sold, Raspberry Pi 0W still is, as "new" Armv6 device (G: It should remain in production until at least January 2026). Would be interesting to monitor how to Armv6 numbers evolve over time (getting less vs. going up?) Andreas: report of issues with Raspberry Pi firmware in transactional update mode (157) Andreas: report of problems with RPi.GPIO on RPi3/RPi4 (241) ddemaio: Might consider adding a demographic question to the survey to know when best to brief results to community. Something like "What region are you in. [] Asia [] EMEA [] Americas _______________________________________________ openSUSE Project mailing list -- project@lists.opensuse.org To unsubscribe, email project-leave@lists.opensuse.org List Netiquette: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette List Archives: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org