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Re: [opensuse] Re: Post to opensuse@xxxxxxxxxxxx denied---stupid rules R US
On 2014-03-27 03:09, David Haller wrote:

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Carlos E. R. wrote:

No, I mean that IMO the best group communication method would be nntp,
not email, because it does not require subscribing.

Well, you need to subscribe to the groups you want to read ;)

Although the term is the same, the meaning is different. Subscribing to
a mail list requires registration with the list server, giving them your
mail address and a password.

Registration with an nntp group is merely a local machine operation.
Nobody sees your email address (you can fake one if you wish), no
password required, not even a registration on a server somewhere.

Unless the nntp server uses authentication, but this is rare.

You can not get full mail boxes,

But a full news-spool. Esp. if you do it like I do:

$ ls -Ald /var/spool/news /data/spool/news
drwsr-xr-x 20 news news 552 Mar 20 23:35 /data/spool/news/
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Feb 23 2012 /var/spool/news -> /data/spool/news/
$ grep news /proc/mounts
/dev/loop0 /data/spool/news reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr,barrier=flush 0 0
$ df -Th
/dev/loop0 reiserfs 8.0G 789M 7.3G 10% /data/spool/news

Well, that is similar to using an imap account for the mail lists with
offline copy, as clients like thunderbird can do. And gmail imap can
store years of mail list traffic!

But yes, I do like you do:

Telcontar:~ # mount | grep news
/dev/sdd15 on /var/spool/news type reiserfs (rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl)
Telcontar:~ # df -h /var/spool/news
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdd15 20G 981M 19G 5% /var/spool/news
Telcontar:~ #

About the same usage ;-)

and you can go back in history and
see posts written years ago, way before you "subscribe". and various others have archives. lists.o.o
back to the very first mails in suse-linux{,-en}@suse.{de,com} (or
what was used then as domain).

Yes, of course. But it is not the same as having them directly on your
client. Which you can also do in the case of suse mail lists, because
you can download the mails as mboxes and import them to your MUA.

But it is not a popular method nowdays. Maybe it has disadvantages, re
abuse. Maybe higher server load. Dunno.

Well, I think the load is higher with mail. And, as said, the MLs are
piped to usenet via gmane (search for gmane.suse.*) and you can post
via gmane.

I don't know about the load. An nntp client uses a connection to an nntp
server, each time you try to open a new (sometimes even old) post. If a
thousand people are using it simultaneously, it is a thousand
simultaneous connections.

A mail list server is active only when it gets a new post, which then it
sends to the thousand subscribers then stops. It is idle even if those
thousand subscribers are reading every email simultaneously. It does not
need fast response, it can act slowly.

But yes, I know about gmane.

On the other paw, that, where I do want me to be allowed to

Paw? Are you a kzin? :-)

Nah. If I imagine myself as anything, it's as Panthera tigris altaica.

A Siberian tiger :-)

Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

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