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Re: [opensuse] what to do after zypper dup
On 14/09/13 21:14, John Andersen wrote:
On 9/14/2013 9:53 AM, Dylan wrote:
On 14/09/13 17:23, Anton Aylward wrote:
Felix Miata said the following on 09/14/2013 11:01 AM:
On 2013-09-14 10:15 (GMT-0400) Anton Aylward composed:

Restarting the kernel needs a reboot just as installing a new kernel as
part of installing a new distribution needs a reboot. No way around



This avoids the long times associated with a full reboot

*WHAT* long times?

Indeed - and from the docs it seems kesec goes through the software
shutdown/restart procedures and only omits the hardware/bios reset. For
me, reboot takes 50seconds to KDE log on screen *including* the grub timeout,
so skipping the hardware reset would save save at most 10
seconds. Even if I'm really in a hurry, what's the difference? Especially since
all services need to be stopped anyway...


That is fine for YOU.

My comments related to the supposed saving in boot time with kexec... When it comes to 'critical' services, they should be balanced across more than one machine with appropriate update schedules etc... that's nothing to do with kexec...

But with a multi-user machine, or won that is serving some other clients as a
file-server or database server, you
frequently need to roll the machine to replace modules that are continuously in
use by multiple users.

This isn't a new problem, its been around for as long as I've been using linux.
Old versions of some critical
software don't always mix well with new versions. The old executable will
usually run just fine, but if it makes
occasional use of some configuration file, it may try to open the new version,
sometimes with bad results.

Virtually anything having to do with Gnome or KDE you can simply log out, and
log back in again.

But for services provided across the network, this doesn't work.

If you can't be down, then don't update. Its that simple.

Or at least don't update until a scheduled maintenance window.

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