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Re: [opensuse] Extrange change in "/etc/sysconfig/clock"
  • From: "Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 14:00:18 +0200 (CEST)
  • Message-id: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1309011335170.7832@Telcontar.valinor>
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On Sunday, 2013-09-01 at 09:14 +0400, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

В Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:46:35 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> пишет:


People that double boot, specially when the other system is Windows,
who insists on the CMOS clock being localtime, often trash the adjtime
file contents. As a result, the clock shifts several hours on every
boot (maybe not an integer number of hours).


I do not understand what is to trash there. The first two lines are
legacy that nobody relies upon anyway. What this thread is about is the
third line which is never changed by hwclock itself unless you
explicitly instruct it to do so.

The first two lines are used by hwclock. The exact method varies between openSUSE releases.

Basically, cpu time is set from cmos clock on boot. On halt system time is copied to cmos, but first it is compared to see the difference: a value for clock shift per time unit is stored in those first lines of the adjtime file.

On next boot, hwclock obtains the time from cmos, and shifts it with the difference value multiplied by the time since last cmos time set.

This procedure compensates for the inacuracies (drift) in the cmos clock.

Remember that not everybody can use ntp.

Hwclock has always stored the utc/local word there.

This is documented.


The cure on those cases was to set the system clock manually, transfer
contents to cmos clock, and then erase the adjtime file, in the
knowledge that rebooting would set it up correctly.


I do not understand why you need to remove /etc/adjtime helps here.
Either LOCAL/UTC was set correctly or not. If it was no correctly set
then most likely because /etc/sysconfig/clock was not set correctly and
it will be recreated with wrong value again.

When the adjustment shift in /etc/adjtime is incorrect, the file has to be deleted and recreated correctly. UTC/LOCAL is irrelevant, but the correct word has to be written.

If you adjust manually the clock by hours up or down, when the sihift per unit time is calculated, it is wrong by hours. When the time is set on next boot, it is set VERY incorrectly. People start a loop of adjusting the clock after booting, and getting it worse on next reboot. It happens typically to people double booting.

As the shift calculation is off, the only cure is to delete te adjtime file.



Now instead I'll have (often it is me who guides these people) to tell
them a procedure to recreate the file correctly, for people that do
not even know if the cmos is running local or utc time or why that is
important.


If people do not know whether they are running local or UTC, how are
you going to trust their /etc/sysconfig/clock then? It is user decision
in the first place, whether it is stored in /etc/sysconfig/clock
or /etc/adjtime is not important.

The right procedure to fix dual boot with Windows is to go to YaST and
set local time instead of UTC. Which will store the correct value
in /etc/adjtime. Where is the problem?


People do not remember what they did at install time. If on doubt, they hit [ENTER]. The contents of the /etc/sysconfig/clock file allowed us helpers to know what to do, even if the user did not know.

Now it is impossible, we have to guess for them.


And no, the correct procedure for Windows, since Vista, is to use UTC and tell Windows to also use UTC. This, again, is documented.

<http://en.opensuse.org/SDB%3AConfiguring_the_clock#Other_OS>

Hint: find out who wrote the article.

- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
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