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Re: [opensuse] ssytemd and openSUSE
  • From: Per Jessen <per@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:25:47 +0200
  • Message-id: <kprmdr$qnp$1@saturn.local.net>
Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Per Jessen <per@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The current enumeration of network interfaces ...

1) overall works very well

You are preaching to the wrong chore.

Well, this particular choir (the openSUSE user community) doesn't seem
to have been much aware of the planned change.

Do you really believe that naming scheme was changed just to annoy
users? Please discuss it on linux-hotplug list if you have convincing
arguments that it was wrong decision.

Andrey, this discussion belongs here. I am only proposing we try not to
annoy/upset/alienate _our_ users by allowing them to retain our current
enumeration scheme.

Linux is not the only operating system where device names changed from
release to release.

Irrelevant. openSUSE/Linux is the only operating system up for
discussion here. (except when Anton and I go nostalgic).

2) is integrated into everything else
3) corresponds to the style of enumeration we're used to working with
in linux

I have wlan0 on my notebook. My customer systems I have to support
have bond, vlanXXX and something more. So even now there is no unified
"style of enumeration".

Yes there is. We have 'aaaaN' where 'aaaa' indicates the type of
interface and N is 0-999. Very consistent.

3a) corresponds to the style of enumeration used by the manufacturer

Sorry? Who manufactures Linux?

The hardware manufacturer, of course:

http://files.jessen.ch/hp-dl380.jpeg
http://files.jessen.ch/sun-4port-nic.jpeg
http://files.jessen.ch/ibm-bladecenter-6port.jpeg

4) is easy to pronounce

For English native speakers. Others may not even know how to pronounce
those letters at all.

Easy to pronounce for _anyone_ who speaks English, native or otherwise.
Anyway, what is your point? The proposed scheme will (afaik) not
change the character set to Cyrillic, Greek or Sanskrit.

My point about pronunciation is that I expect people say 'ethernet-zero'
and 'ethernet-one' when referring to 'eth0' and 'eth1'. Maybe in other
languages people say 'ethernet-eins', 'ethernet-zwei', 'ethernet-et',
'ethernet-to', 'ethernet-ena', 'ethernet-dio', 'ethernet-yksi',
'ethernet-kaksi' ....

How will one say 'enp3s1f1'?

5) is consistent when one is dealing with multiple systems.

We really ought to retain the option for the user to use the existing
scheme of renaming at start up.


Just stick with unified naming space that dies not conflict with
kernel one, as was already done for other devices. udev no more
supports renaming of sda to sdb. Why it should support renaming of
eth0 to eth1?

It does now. Why throw it away?



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