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Re: [opensuse] Re: YaST lilo support
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 11:41:38PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2011-12-09 18:42, Per Jessen wrote:
Lars Müller wrote:

But (re)directing people from the openSUSE wiki to Ubuntu is a much,
much better approach. Lovely.

That was also what got me a little upset. Lovely indeed. :-(

You are welcome to get into the forum and tell those newcomers how to get
it working without installing Ubuntu. :-)

Today there is an alternative you again ignore. Please check this mail
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-12/msg00622.html

And elilo and efibootmgr had already been part of the initial openSUSE
11.4 release. There's also a lot documentation available on the net
about how to handle GUID Partition Table (GPT) disks in general.

And you don't have in mind (or ignore this by intention?) how small the
amount of users is which might get bitten by the issues caused by hard
drives with a size bigger than 2 GB.

The pointers you gave to the forums.o.o are only in two cases real
issues with disks of a size beyond 2 GB. They both had been on openSUSE
11.4 when the YaST support to handle elilo had not been there or at the
same level as with 12.1. All the others are more general complains or
issues.

My final summary regarding support for a GPT drive is:

With openSUSE 11.4 it needs some manual tweaking as the required
software doesn't get installed by default and YaST doesn't yet support
it. For a beginner the journey ends at this point. For a half way
motivated and skilled person it might be possible to get it working.

With openSUSE 12.1 it works and is supported by the YaST boot loader
module too.

I'm serious. We do the best we can. The helpers there can not guide people
to use lilo if it is not supported or they do not know how to do it.

See Per's answer. It still works. And if there are cases where it
fails try to find people to understand the code and work with them on a
fix. This is all build upon (more or less) easy to read programming
languages (perl, bash, ycp). To complain and blame doesn't fix issues.

Please stop claiming openSUSE sucks cause lilo doesn't longer get the
same attention as other available boot loaders get. lilo is more or
less a dead horse.

I can't request anything from you. Neither to contribute to the
software used by the project nor to the documentation in the wiki (for
example about how to use elilo). But I'm asking you to stop
demotivating motivated people by your way to communicate.

Suggesting to use Ubuntu cause you feel frustrated as openSUSE isn't or
better wasn't able to handle GTP disks is a negative approach. By this
I fear you'll frustrate and demotivate others to use openSUSE too.
That's most annoying as your criticism isn't realy valid. Therefore I
ask you again to stop this, please.

See as an positive example how those handled the dying sax2. They
started to work on sax3. That's how to turn something into a positive
momentum.

Thanks.

Lars
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Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ]
Samba Team
SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
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