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Re: [opensuse] small installation help
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:39 AM, James Knott <james.knott@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

If you want to learn, the best thing to do is get another computer that you
can experiment with, without worrying about breaking something.  If
something doesn't work out, chalk it up as a "learning experience" and try
again.

Sorry but I cannot do that, I have only one PC - dual booted with
Windows XP and Linux. My sis uses Windows XP and I try to use Linux
--> in my free time, where I work, I have no relation with Linux or
computers, in fact, I liked Linux and that's why try to see it, sit in
front of a Linux machine (even for as low as 2 mins!), just because I
am excited to see such a secured environment and the development. I
wonder why Windows people used and Linux was so uncommon that majority
of the world population followed Windows during the past eras,
amazing!!

But for "learning experience", I would be happy to do experiments with
my current system only -->> after taking back-up and on holiday.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Anton Aylward
<opensuse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/requirements.html#AEN493
Old but still sensible

http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/01/effective-partitioning-how-and-why-of.html
Especially the 'why'.

Okay, this links is good, but it would take for me some time, to read
all this, great info, much more than required for me...!

Note, for example that having a seperate /tmp allows it to be mounted
noexec and nosetuid and also means you can't have hard links to /sbin

'noexec' and 'nosetuid', I really didn't know all these - I would
first requried to get my legs weight and then only I could really know
this.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-resizing-partitions-1/index.html

With a 250G drive you can bet that you won't be happy with the
partitioning scheme you start with. You are going to wonder why using
file systems with so little space take so much effort. Thinks like FSCK
are O(2) or better.
http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=227909

Correct, this would be done by me too, but would take a little
exposure to Linux first, I am Windows migrant after all!

You are better with more but smaller file systems, and that is something
much easier with LVM. I illustrted this with my earlier posting of the
partitions I use for my own space under /home/anton:

/home/anton/PDF
/home/anton/Media
/home/anton/Documents
/home/anton/Downloads
/home/anton/.thunderbird

I originally had /home/anton/Mail/ but moved that to the mail server and
now use IMAP :-)

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-102-1/
Read the caveats under "Allocating disk Space".

Again, LVM is good, but I am afraiding to use in the initial stage
since I have PC (only one) which is dual booted with Windows (used by
my sis).

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Anton Aylward
<opensuse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Too right!
It might make since for a very small drive, less than 50G say, but if
you accept it allocating all of the space available on your 250G then
you will end up frustrated and redo the installation in a few days or
weeks, and may even end up blaming your frustration on Linux. I've seen
people do that.

That's amazing, then you should be right..

Having separate /boot and /tmp is good insurance against a variety of
problems. The effort it takes to set those up is minimal and the value
if (and when, you are after all a newbie) things go wrong is well worth
the investment.

Oh I see. I would try but at first let the DVD gets downloaded and
then with LIVE version I would definitely see all these options, I am
sure 'abort' would always be there an option on each stage of
installation, for if, I stuck anywhere in between.

$ mount | grep TMP
/dev/mapper/vgmain-TMP on /tmp type ext3
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,errors=continue,commit=60,barrier=1,data=writeback)

Note these security features!

Yes, I have "data=writeback"
This is /tmp; its get cleaned out on every reboot!

Not completely understood but I came to know at least that it (Linux)
is highly secured than Windows. Even I have heard people saying
'Windows' and 'Linux' -->> no comparison possible, since a great
difference lies.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Anton Aylward
<opensuse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

When you ask technical questions you get technical answers.

Correct, but I thought that a user who really is not from softwares
could understand Linux in small language, may be because of Windows
addiction, but knowing Linux needs a little time --- yes it pays in
the future, it is good to learn and one must.

Still, I would try to learn and see the Linux related queries (what I
can do in so minimal time).

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Anton Aylward
<opensuse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Do the install.
Wipe it; do it again with different partitions.
Do that four times a day for a week.
Now do it for a week with with LVM.

How else do you expect to learn if not by gaining experience.

Practice; try variation and compare the results; practice; experiment.

I liked these lines - great. I know only by practical experimentation
I could learn Linux. So I would definitely go with your suggestion.

Would try and if anything goes wrong (at the worst), I would not lose
my machine at least, that is for sure, only re installations would
take place.

The installer is dumb!
All it guarantees is that you will have enough space for a basic
(minimal) install. It can't read your mind, doesn't care about future
use or objectives.

Again good point since it would be exciting experimenting all those options.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Carlos E. R.
<robin.listas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

http://doc.opensuse.org/products/opensuse/openSUSE/opensuse-startup/
http://doc.opensuse.org/products/opensuse/openSUSE/opensuse-reference/

Thanks for the links.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Carlos E. R.
<robin.listas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

He can reinstall when he learns enough and can decide for himself what he
wants.

Of course, but community advises pay a lot - that's why we are on
community mailing lists!

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