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Re: [opensuse] Can I ask something...?
  • From: Linux Tyro <opensuse.bkn@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:05:05 +0530
  • Message-id: <CACR2xCx9QJTqKwVNDiuh=E3LFZQpLG+YWnOyd1eaK956ne+NPA@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Togan Muftuoglu <toganm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Upgrade is not obligatory, I am running versions back to 11.1 on a daily
basis and some of the are web and mail servers. So you do not have to
update to the new version every 8 months or so

Okay, I see. Thanks.

life is endless possibilities and then there is the freedom of choosing

I do agree.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:22 PM, jdd <jdd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

the release period do not mean you have to use the new distro, openSUSE is
suppored at least for 18 month (two release + 2 month).

Oh I see. And even after that period, the basic functionality would
remain the same (I read in Linux).

Welcopme to openSUSE :-))

Thanks again.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Robert Schweikert <rjschwei@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, I am not sure where you are going with this. However, whatever the
release schedule is, there is always the same "problem" someone will always
need more time for something. This would mean that there is never a release.
That's of course not very helpful.

That's okay.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:42 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Release intervals are not so important, they can be more frequent. My only
complaint
about them is the suck up maintainer resources that could (IMHO) be more
valuable
if applied to longer release maintenance period.

I understand, for security you are saying this.

When I upgrade, I have to look seriously at Ubuntu Server with Long Term
Support, or a rolling release.

But I heard from people using Linux that openSUSE is better the Ubuntu
and you again want to switch to that? However, its a personal choice,
no one can interfere but as a matter of interest this question arises!

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:51 PM, jdd <jdd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

thus you should support Evergreen, the long term support of openSUSE (still
experimental)

Experimental... in sense of it being active?

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:56 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Exactly my thinking with regard to a rolling release as my next server
installation.

Can you please let me know the meaning of 'rolling release'. Thx.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:03 AM, jdd <jdd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

But I'm pretty sure Evergreen needs badly more team members :-(

Less people go for it.....?

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
<awilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

+1 I'm probably considered a very technical user - and I don't upgrade
right away [I have work to do!]

Of course you want to upgrade eventually. But waiting a few months is
certainly reasonable. Previous versions will continue to receive
important updates for awhile.

Okay nice and as they say it is for 2 releases and 2 months (18 months
in all), so enough (this I came to know).

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Felix Miata <mrmazda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

to me evergreen means perennially green and _live_, like such coniferous
trees as
pine, sequoia, cypress & fir. Evergreen seems like an apt name for a LTS
distro to me.

'Evergreen' is a good word and the meaning also compatible with what
that version does!

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:31 AM, Brian K. White <brian@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Then again I just spent a few days fighting with some hackers script that
somehow manages to get _ROOT ACCESS_ to a few of my opensuse 11.2 machines,
du apparently to a weakness in openssh.

openSUSE too get attacked!! And I have come here thinking that only
Windows was the thing getting attached each time!!

My only way to save this server, and still have ssh, was to upgrade ssh to
the latest version, or at least whatever version fixed whatever weakness
this script was exploiting. I only know that upgrading to latest stopped him
cold.

Oh I see, that's why remaining with the latest version is good.....?

You can only do that for just so long after the distro goes off the back end
of the support time frame.

Means upto 18 months.

If a box is connected to the internet, you can't actually afford to just let
it get old.

Correct, :)

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:22 AM, John Andersen <jsamyth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I understand that the owners of OpenSuse what us to buy SLES.
But the purchase price and subscription fees pretty steep for some of
us.

But they don't enforce one to buy, why to use a bought version if
everything is available free of cost and at least for a home user and
the one really doesn't belong to computers!

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:03 PM, jdd <jdd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

since 11.4 (as far as I remember), the upgrade process is supported, and
really upgrading from 11.4 to 12.1 should be pretty easy

Earlier up gradations in Linux (before to 11.4 to 12.1, as you say)
had some of the issues....? Means up gradations sometimes cause
problem(s)....!

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Togan Muftuoglu <toganm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Supported or not supported is not the issue for me. Stability is the key
and in main central parts.

I guess this is correct. Stability is more important at least in the
corporate environment....

Thanks and I really got an idea of openSUSE that it is better to
install the version (current latest) and it would remain stable for at
least 18 months and after that, I would think after 18 months! What
confused me with openSUSE was (initially) that it releases newer
version in only 8 months but I really forgot to see that these
versions are supported for 18 months, now its fine. I have not to
consider all those bigger issues of stability which a corporate
network and system administrator would consider (like maintaining a
server and making it free from all of the attacks, whatever..) but for
me as a home user, yes this is good enough and if the problem would
come, you all people are there....! Good community.

Soon, the KDE 11.4 openSUSE download would be completed and I would
install on the holiday.

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