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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository
  • From: jdd <jdd@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:31:51 +0100
  • Message-id: <459AB327.9010903@xxxxxxxxx>
Pascal Bleser wrote:

Personally, I stick with smart because I like it better than yast2/zypp

and nobody prevent you from doing so, this is linux's choice :-)

Don't attend SLED/SLES marketing conferences, spend time with the people
who use openSUSE.
Since when is this novell-marketing-dept@xxxxxxxxxxxx ?

here, _you_ are kidding. if Novell wants to make some choices, do you think we won't be impacted with them?

if Novell wants really to make zen they main product, I beg they will make also the zen-updater works, eventually revisiting it's specifications if necessary. In this respect it's good to have valuables remarks on this product. I never said to accept it without concern.

How is zen any "mainstream" ? It's broken and it is broken by design
because the integration architecture with yast is sick.

cure it (not you, of course, it's Novell's works)

I'm in no way Novell's (I was SuSE user before Novell know about it :-). I only think the main openSUSE sponsor wants to push a product and seems to be ready to spend money for that. I expect this to give results.

I don't think smart will gain users for openSUSE. What I like is Yast and I always liked the Yast package manager. I used Mandrake and didn't notice it to be faster than suse.

whatever system is underlying should not be a problem

anyway, my personal concern is nor zen but YaST. Is there where a YaST
smart module, situation would be entirely different, but is it to be any?

Ridiculous. Whatever your religious sales belief or your loyalty to
Novell's SLED marketing powerpoint slides are, using smart on 10.1 is
about having a package manager that *works*.

my yast package manager works nearly each day and it's default. It _was_ much too slow when 10.1 was released, but it's no more.

I know all the problems, this costed me one hour in a year... but why
not working to fix them inspite of forking?

Fork ZMD ? yast2 ? You gotta be kidding.
Vote to have the zypp-backend as default in yast2 for 10.3, that's what
we should do.

is that smart? or are you changing position?

Why isn't smart one of them ?

because you can (and did) write about smart on opensuse.org without any problem AFAIK, so why ask users to go on an other web site (YaOWS Yet an other Web Site ?)

If it wasn't for smart, at least half of the people who tried 10.1 would
have dropped SUSE and never look back.

your are kidding. of course if the first thing you do if making people changing for smart, all the people you know of use smart of go elsewhere :-)

And as *active*, committed community members who help lots of people to
use SUSE on IRC every single day, if we want to put a page about setting
up smart and recommend using smart on 10.1 because we saved lots of
people from the ZMD mess, then we just do so.

I also help a lot of people, but not on IRC. and if you want to have a "pascalbeseler.org" web site, it's your problem. I also have my own mediawiki, but I don't call it opensuse-community. I have also a fr.susewiki.org web site I stopped to work on opensuse.org as any body should do for the community, wherever possible...

Oh really. I wonder what makes you think you've got a better clue than
me wrt package managers, problems people ask for help on IRC and the
technical architecture of the ZMD backend in yast2.

may you are not the only suse user in the world. This is at all ridiculous. I think you are in a bad mood these days :-(


*gasp* I never "advertised it as being the only choice"

I quoted your own text :

"If it wasn't for smart, at least half of the people who tried 10.1 would
have dropped SUSE and never look back."

what is wrong with:
http://en.opensuse.org/Using_10.1#Package_Management

please, just consider what makes openSUSE different from all other distros. It's mainly YaST. What other specific package do you see (considering sax2 is part of yaST)?

so, I really think we first should work to make YaST better. Franckly, I don't see for now difference between patterns and the old YaST system (on a user point of view). I don't know really about zypp of zen. I was asked once: do you want to sync yast and zen a quoted "yes". I have no real problem with this.

so 10.1 works, even without smart, and I beg millions of people uses it that you will never see on IRC...

jdd


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