[opensuse-web] Re: Problem with a user in the forums

Hello Felix, I've read through the discussion on this topic to date and I am struck by the following issues - The openSUSE Forums and Newsgroups are the same thing, administered by the same team, and operating under the same rules - Those rules include the provision against Religious discourse/comment - Your signature includes a Passage from a Religious scripture, which can easily be interpreted as a "Religious Comment" - The rules of the openSUSE Forums/Newsgroups do not apply to the openSUSE Mailing Lists, which operates under different rules and are administered by a different team http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette - The difference is rules between the openSUSE Forums/Newsgroups and the openSUSE mailinglists make sense when you consider the different intended audiences (our Forums are very user-centric, our Lists are very developer-centric) and the technical differences of the mediums involved. - Your comments regarding sigs being easily ignorable may be true in the mailinglist or pure-Newsgroup scenario, but are not true in the Web Forums, which are one of/the primary method of displaying openSUSE's forum content. With the following in consideration, I ask that you respect the wishes of the openSUSE Forum team and comply with their request, removing the religious passage from your signature when posting to the openSUSE Forums/Newsgroups I do not believe you need to change the Email signature you have used on the mailinglists for some time, but please be considerate that such passages could be uncomfortable for others. If you wish to discuss this further, feel free to contact me off list. Kind Regards, - Richard Brown openSUSE Board Chair On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 03:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2014-07-21 21:59 (GMT-0400) Patrick Shanahan composed:

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Rules are for a purpose and support the community. Those wishing to partake of that communities fruits must abide by it's rules.

To do so in fact requires understanding them. The OP here apparently misreads .sigs to mean content, which it isn't by any authoritative definition on the web that I've encountered in my use of the web for over 17 years. Message content ends at the following:

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Whatever follows it is what constitutes a .sig, not message content.

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one who does not abide is slapping your face, especially when knowling, purposly showing disrespect.

The web in general, and to be sure including opensuse.org pages, has been espousing that that's OK for over a decade now, not in words, but in deed, by the way it styles content using CSS. It's little short of universal now that web sites either disregard user personalization of their personal computing devices via presumtively optimal browser default font sizes entirely, or set base or dominant sizes that are some small fraction of that same presumptively optimal browser setting[1].

Another matter for the instant case is that I've not been posting "in the forums" as that term is most widely taken to mean. That is, in the more widely used sense, forum means a web site, such as http://forums.opensuse.org/forum.php or http://www.avsforum.com/forum/index.php which is normally accessed via a web browser. In contrast, I've been posting to newsgroups, where users instead use news or mailnews readers and NNTP to post in same manner as they do via mailing lists. (At the end of this message are the complete headers from my latest message there copied and pasted from my news agent's file copy.[3])

To use the broader meaning of forum means not only access via browser (web) and NNTP (news), but also mailing list subscription. Using the broader meaning, The .sig I've been using has been in constant use, exactly the same, at least as far back as March 2011 (where a switch was made from a very similar quote[2] that had been in use, also for an extended period): http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-03/msg00826.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde3/2011-03/msg00099.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2011-03/msg00669.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2011-04/msg00058.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-testing/2011-06/msg00005.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-multimedia/2011-10/msg00000.html

For 2011, where the current .sig was in use less than a full year, I count a minimum of approximately 1,464 messages posted to the opensuse@ mailing lists using that .sig. For 2012 I count 1,584; for 2013, 1,592; and to date for 2014, 1,174. Those 5,814 messages over a 40+ month period with the identical .sig without complaint from list admins amount to tacit approval of it. To attempt to disapprove it now, without justifiably changing the current guidelines to deviate from similar guidelines in similar forums and authoritative RFC definition and related constructions WRT SMTP and NNTP messaging cannot be construed as anything other than arbitrary and capricious censorship.

[1] http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/defaultsize.html

[2] prior .sig head from http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-03/msg00705.html : "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV

[3] From - Mon Jul 21 19:37:31 2014 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000 X-Mozilla-Keys: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:37:31 -0400 From: Felix Miata Reply-To: find@my.website Organization: less than infinite User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: opensuse.org.help.install-boot-login Subject: Re: scrambled screen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

[4] for the benefit of lc.org, upthread archived begins at: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-web/2014-07/msg00007.html and my prior thread reply is at: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-web/2014-07/msg00010.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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