-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-11-08 at 20:57 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:

All sounds good.

I filter on [SLE] in the subject (and similar for amd64 list). Will that change?

Yes, of course. But the recomended thing is to filter on "X-Mailinglist: opensuse". It's on the FAQ somewhere. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFUlNAtTMYHG2NR9URAgFdAJ9CjorRxkBp0jRrBfZR77lO8JBingCeM9tW JawPE2pTT0dNzJVj+eyPmx4= =mgnf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

* Robert Lewis [11-08-06 17:27]:

I just expanded headers in Thunderbird to look for "X-Mailinglist: opensuse" and I am either blind or it wasn't there.

Now it wouldn't be on suse-linux-e, would it? But if you look on the opensuse list: List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:opensuse-help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse-subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse-unsubscribe-ptilopteri=gmail.com@opensuse.org List-Owner: mailto:opensuse-owner@opensuse.org X-Mailinglist: opensuse -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

Robert, On Wednesday 08 November 2006 15:08, Robert Lewis wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Robert Lewis [11-08-06 17:27]:

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I just expanded headers in Thunderbird to look for "X-Mailinglist: opensuse" and I am either blind or it wasn't there.

Now it wouldn't be on suse-linux-e, would it? But if you look on the opensuse list:

List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:opensuse-help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse-subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse-unsubscribe-ptilopteri=gmail.com@opensuse.org List-Owner: mailto:opensuse-owner@opensuse.org X-Mailinglist: opensuse

I want to be clear. Are you saying that the header discussed above isn't on suse-linux-e but will magically appear when the new list is created soon?

It's included now in all messages distributed via SuSE-Linux-E@SuSE.com. I think Patrick was saying that "opensuse" won't appear on a list name suse-linux-e.

Cheers, Bob

Randall Schulz

* Dave Howorth [11-08-06 18:59]: ...

I guess I should add a follow-on to my question. If [SLE] isn't there, will there be some equivalent identifying string in the subject line and if so, what is it please?

This list is being merged into the opensuse list which has [opensuse] in the Subject: header line. When the merger is done, the lists will be one as 'opensuse'. Why wouldn't the same identifing string remain? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

On Wednesday 08 November 2006 19:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

You can see for yourself as the list in question already exist, and has existed for a long time.

Which brings up the question - - - what's to migrate? Why don't we just all hop on over and join the opensuse list.....? I must have missed something.

On Wednesday 08 November 2006 19:40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Bruce Marshall [11-08-06 19:36]:

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Which brings up the question - - - what's to migrate?

Why don't we just all hop on over and join the opensuse list.....?

I must have missed something.

Apparently, from Henne's post:

1. This list, suse-linux-e@suse.com, will be renamed to opensuse@opensuse.org This means that mails to you will come from the new address and for posting you also have to send mail to opensuse@opensuse.org. The old list adress will still work but is depreceated. I will turn it off in the future (with notice).

2. Your subscription will get transfered to the new listserver. No action on your part is required to continue reciving mails from this list.

Yeh, but....... I just joined opensuse@opensuse.org. I hear what you're saying (and he said)... no big deal I guess. See ya all there... (wear flashy clothing so we can recognize each other.... I think it may be a bit more crowded over there.)

On Wednesday 08 November 2006 5:59 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:

But the recomended thing is to filter on "X-Mailinglist: opensuse". It's on the FAQ somewhere.

Ok, I just now started to use that header "X-Mailinglist' in Kmail. After a while I noticed the filter wasn't working (I had both: suse-linux-e or opensuse)... It turns out that the LOV on Kmail filter settings shows X-Mailing-List instead of X-Mailinglist. I wonder if there's any standard on that :( Cheers! Jorge

Hi, On Wednesday, November 08, 2006 at 20:57:56, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 19:44 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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we will move this list to the new mailinglist server.

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3. Because of the renaming the mailinglist headers will change. If you filter for headers in your mail setup please adopt your setup accordingly. New headers will look like this:

All sounds good.

I filter on [SLE] in the subject (and similar for amd64 list). Will that change?

Yes it will change to [opensuse]. Dont filter on the subject. Use the X-Mailinglist/Mailing-List header. Thats what they are there for. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)

Dave Howorth wrote:

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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I filter on [SLE] in the subject (and similar for amd64 list). Will that change? Yes it will change to [opensuse].

Thank you.

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Dont filter on the subject. Use the X-Mailinglist/Mailing-List header. Thats what they are there for.

I appreciate the advice. I filter on the subject because the X-Mailinglist list header is not present when people make private replies, which they frequently do.

Sorry to question your response, but if someone makes a private reply then it shouldn't go into this forum and not be replied to and so accidentally appear in this forum. A private message should remain private. In fact one of the things which has been 'plaguing' me is that a private message sent as a response to a message in this forum has been ending up here rather than in my private mail box (because it would invariably have [SLE] in the Subject field). A few minutes ago I discovered an option in Thunderbird which I didn't know existed ('cause I never looked closely :-) ) and that is that any field in the Header can be added to the Message Filter and now I can filter on X-Mailinglist rather than on any of the other, normal, 'default' fields. Cheers. -- "If the terrier and the bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow." George W. Bush January 2000

Carlos E. R. wrote: You know something Carlos, I usually strongly agree with what you write, but here we differ :)

The Thursday 2006-11-09 at 11:16 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Dont filter on the subject. Use the X-Mailinglist/Mailing-List header. Thats what they are there for. I appreciate the advice. I filter on the subject because the X-Mailinglist list header is not present when people make private replies, which they frequently do.

Private answers are private and should be archived diferently from the list mail.

My archives are *mine*. What I choose to put in them and how I choose to organize and access them are *my* decisions. You are free to organize yours how you wish but please don't try to insist that I must organize mine in the same way as yours. Or shall we all switch to an M$ trusted platform? :)

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What will be the header for the amd64 list, please?

X-Mailinglist: opensuse-amd64 Delivered-To: opensuse-amd64@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hmmm. I guess I wasn't pedantic enough for you when I asked that question. Taken in context, I think it's clear that what I meant to say was: 'What will be the equivalent string in square brackets on the subject line of mails in the replacement for the suse-amd64 list, please? (i.e. the replacement for "[suse-amd64]")'. Anyway, I've said it now.

As said in http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-amd64/2006-11/msg00001.html

I guess as we're being pedantic, the correct archive reference is: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-amd64/2006-Nov/0003.html which oddly enough I am aware of as a list member :) And the answer to my question isn't in that message. I'm beginning to wonder. Was it the real Carlos E. R. or Gandalf who replied to me? Cheers, Dave

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2006-11-09 at 14:42 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Private answers are private and should be archived diferently from the list mail.

My archives are *mine*. What I choose to put in them and how I choose to organize and access them are *my* decisions.

You are free to organize yours how you wish but please don't try to insist that I must organize mine in the same way as yours.

Of course you are free to organize it as you like! But I'm also free to think that it is a wrong way, that for instance can lead you to answer in public a private answer, as Basil said. If you ask any question at all in a public list, you may receive answers of many types. If people think that what you intend to do is not perceived as correct or the best method, they will probably tell you so. We may not restrict ourselves to give an straight answer if we think is an incorrect method.

Or shall we all switch to an M$ trusted platform? :)

That doesn't have anything to do with this.

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What will be the header for the amd64 list, please?

X-Mailinglist: opensuse-amd64 Delivered-To: opensuse-amd64@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hmmm. I guess I wasn't pedantic enough for you when I asked that question. Taken in context, I think it's clear that what I meant to say was:

'What will be the equivalent string in square brackets on the subject line of mails in the replacement for the suse-amd64 list, please? (i.e. the replacement for "[suse-amd64]")'.

Anyway, I've said it now.

I knew what you wanted to ask, but that's not what you asked in fact :-P Anyway, it is obvious, isn't it? "[opensuse-amd64]"

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As said in http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-amd64/2006-11/msg00001.html

I guess as we're being pedantic, the correct archive reference is: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-amd64/2006-Nov/0003.html which oddly enough I am aware of as a list member :)

The archive has already been migrated. You can check for yourself that they contain "[suse-amd64]" in the subject line, not yet the new token.

And the answer to my question isn't in that message.

Perhaps because we all think that filtering on the subject line is "incorrect" :-P

I'm beginning to wonder. Was it the real Carlos E. R. or Gandalf who replied to me?

No, it was Mithrandir. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFU1OGtTMYHG2NR9URAhhEAJ9hLjyQMpuq8QfpMEUBf0C98XzUUACfduK+ gSLvLQDyvKSyFCly5NDfcg4= =OI5m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 19:59 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Thursday 09 November 2006 15:42, Dave Howorth wrote:

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My archives are *mine*. What I choose to put in them and how I choose to organize and access them are *my* decisions.

Yes indeed, but if you re-send private replies to a public forum, you are violating trust, and will subsequently never be trusted again.

But as you said, that is your choice

I said nothing at all about sending private messages to public fora! And I take offence at the implication. Where did you get the impression that I did? Cheers, Dave

On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 20:29 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Thursday 09 November 2006 20:20, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 19:59 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Thursday 09 November 2006 15:42, Dave Howorth wrote:

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My archives are *mine*. What I choose to put in them and how I choose to organize and access them are *my* decisions.

Yes indeed, but if you re-send private replies to a public forum, you are violating trust, and will subsequently never be trusted again.

But as you said, that is your choice

I said nothing at all about sending private messages to public fora! And I take offence at the implication. Where did you get the impression that I did?

I didn't say you would,

You certainly implied it, and I strongly resent that implication. I think what you did do was read somebody else's post containing an implication and you transferred that implication to me. I would ask you to read [non-technical content of] posts more carefully and think about what you're saying.

but I've seen it happen many many times with people who filter the way you do. It's always followed by a "woops, I didn't realize it was a private mail, I read it in my mailing list folder"

I'm hard pushed to see how you think one can reply a private email and accidently send it to a list except by specifically adding the list to the recipients? I don't see that the filtering method or storage location has anything to do with it at all. It requires very specific actions, not just accidently pressing some button. I do agree that replying privately when it should be to a list is a common problem that is easy to do accidently. Cheers, Dave PS Sorry to all that I'm so touchy about this subject, but I'd like to see reason and free thought prevail in this forum rather than prejudice, political correctness and sloppy thought.

On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 15:18 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

<sigh> What a major complication to such a minor question.

There is already an opensuse-amd64 list; presumably all the suse/opensuse lists follow the same convention for the subject line -- all the suse lists I currently subscribe to do.

If/when Henne is ready to migrate your current list, I assume

Please, will you all stop *assuming* what Henne will do and let him answer for himself! I ass u me - ever heard that?

On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 14:52 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Private answers are private and should be archived diferently from the list mail.

I disagree. I do not like a full inbox. It also enables me to track a thread and how it forked into OFF List. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2006-11-09 at 00:42 +0100, I wrote:

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Does this mean that this list is being merged with the existing openSUSE@openSUSE.org list?

That's what I understand.

But I don't understand what he will do with this list archive :-? For instance, the archive for suse-linux-s has been migrated (almost), but not the one for suse-linux-e. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFUm+wtTMYHG2NR9URAmLRAJ4oFR3rXwpo8H7EgIksqlzUIS9MQwCfSjbx i318eq32bSA4iUek4tS6/28= =cI17 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On 09/11/06 04:01, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hi,

On Thursday, November 09, 2006 at 01:00:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Thursday 2006-11-09 at 00:42 +0100, I wrote:

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Does this mean that this list is being merged with the existing openSUSE@openSUSE.org list?

That's what I understand.

But I don't understand what he will do with this list archive :-?

Tell me. I dont know yet 8) I gues i will merge them. Everything else is pretty ugly. See, you would not have this problem if you had just renamed this list opensuse-en as we suggested :-)

On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 14:23 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

I know that this is not the mail list affected, but what about suse-ot@suse.com ?

Did I miss a post in suse-ot about its migration?

yes what about that. I enjoy that list and do not want to see the political stuff transferred back to here. I even have it under the other user which is specifically for political discussions. This user is for support and technical matters. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org