Branched from :FYI: Why did they remove yast1 IT was kind of funny because my letter consisted of "There are things in YaST which are NOT in YaST2" and the form-letter-response starts right off talking about how YaST2 has more features then YaST ever had.... the liars. Keep it up SuSE, and you won't have any customers left in a few years. If, as they say, YAST1 is uneconomical to maintain alongside YAST2, then Open Source it and let us maintain it ourselves ! and :suse 8.0 so how are we supposed to install rpms in a batch now yast1 is gone :( At 12:44 PM 5/4/02 +0000, dids wrote:

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And no, you're not missing something obvious. We are all missing something that SuSE obviously missed creating the new Yast. ;-) Please send your complaints about this to feedback@suse.de

sent a note - :( </cut>

and get no answer! <comment> I do like the sugestion (above) from Jon Biddell about SuSe Open Sourcing Yast1. From the number of people screaming over it's loss (including me), i'm sure there are enough people that would work on it, enhance it to do everything Yast2 can do in text mode, include the ability to handle the other linux versions file package formats, then as others see what it can do give it the ability to be useable by other Linux Versions, then spread it across the Linux world as a cross platform standard. Or maybe that's what SuSE are afraid of and that's why they won't. scsijon </comment>

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IT was kind of funny because my letter consisted of "There are things in YaST which are NOT in YaST2" and the form-letter-response starts right off talking about how YaST2 has more features then YaST ever had.... the liars.

When something have _more_ features, it doesn't necessarily mean that it has a superset of features. Don't accuse people of being liars if you haven't understood what they've said. -- /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread!

Actually I am already at looking at the source I have with 7.2 and will be downloading 7.3's when I at least understand what i'm dealing with. However since there is no 8 yet available to me (I am awaiting it's arrival at my supplier) I am limited at what I can do. The thing that I will be wanting (anyone know where it would be kept) is the changelog for yast2 between 7 and 8, as that should give me pointers what has changed in the change of format and needs altering in yast to make it compatable. However, I think your missing my main point of contention. I'm screaming because they did it without giving users advance notice that they were going to do so. I'm expected to change my processes and learn the equivalent steps without having time to differentiate. As one who has never had to use Yast2, as yast has been able to do everything I need to do (?lucky me), that's why I'm unhappy . If it was an application firm that was doing this or even M$ there would be such a scream and law suites threatened that they'd be putting a "patch" release out the next day saying they just missed putting it on the cd's. scsijon ps to another, don't blame me for anothers mail message, I just used it as a pointer to show people are unhappy. At 10:05 PM 5/8/02 -0400, Patrick wrote:

On Tuesday 07 May 2002 21:15, scsijon-tpg wrote:

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IT was kind of funny because my letter consisted of "There are things in YaST which are NOT in YaST2" and the form-letter-response starts right off talking about how YaST2 has more features then YaST ever had.... the liars. Keep it up SuSE, and you won't have any customers left in a few years. If, as they say, YAST1 is uneconomical to maintain alongside YAST2, then Open Source it and let us maintain it ourselves !

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:suse 8.0 so how are we supposed to install rpms in a batch now yast1 : is gone :(

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Ok, scsijon-tpg, Go for it and quit your bitchin'! The source code is there waiting for you to do with it as you please, just don't try to sell it later! If you had something to whine about, it would be different, but everything is available to do the things you did with Yast1, using other programs. If you would get your head out of your butt and learn to use the newer more useful programs available, you would find there are no grounds for all your whining! Of course, if you are too old and set in your ways to make change, I guess we can understand that too. ;o)

But if you are bitchin' & whining just to hear yourself yell or if it seems to make you feel better doing it, then do it quietly please the rest of us are ok with the changes SuSE has made!

Patrick

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On Wednesday 08 May 2002 2:15 am, you wrote:

From the number of people screaming over it's loss (including me), i'm sure there are enough people that would work on it, enhance it to do everything Yast2 can do in text mode, include the ability to handle the

I think you might find, for all the hollering, that most people would rather spend their time working with YaST2 - either learning how to use it efficiently, sending feedback to get SuSE to make it do what they want, or, in extreme cases, adding features themselves. I'm sure SuSE would be very grateful for contributions of the latter. Personally I commend SuSE for taking the step. The computer world is full of too much legacy crap which is not relevant or efficient in the modern world. Linux, especially, moves too fast to be dragging all this weight. -- 8:46am up 9 days, 22:58, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.12, 0.06

:: Finally someone else who "gets it!" Finally someone else who realizes the ::YaST Public License is not open source by any accepted standard. Finally ::someone who realizes if SuSE doesn't want it, then why not open source it! ::Good job scsi! :-D Again, I will say this is total bullshit. YaST is open source as in free speech..not free beer. You can see the src, do whatever the hell you want with it sans sell it..so it is open src. It's just not " Hey, take this..change it around a bunch and sell it as something that you've developed." There is a difference between Open Source and FSF mandated Free Software. Let's get the frell over this once and for all. sheeesh! -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. -GC --=====-----=====--

On Friday 10 May 2002 20.12, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

speech..not free beer. You can see the src, do whatever the hell you

I have been thinking about this for a long time, and now I just have to ask Where is this free beer that everybody is talking about, and can I get some in time for the world cup? //Anders

On Saturday 11 May 2002 00.45, Jon Clausen wrote:

What's a 'world-cup'? Something like "Give me a cup big enough, and I'll dip the world in it...(?)" ...sounds like it'd need to be awful big though...

A world cup is what the swedish players will be raising to the skies in about two months time :) //Anders

** Reply to message from Jon Clausen on Sat, 11 May 2002 01:07:20 +0200 ** A world cup is what the swedish players will be raising to the skies in whooo hoo! Let the wars begin !! We're expecting a grand kickup for the next two months. Soccer will rule the telly here, well , except for times when the tennis is on... then it becomes a battle for control of the controler , as it were. sorry Chris , couldn't resist this one <grins> j afterthought Press any key ... no, no, no!! not THAT one!!

On Saturday 11 May 2002 01.07, Jon Clausen wrote:

"Swedish Players"... is that some rock band? Never heard of 'em... :)

"Vi er røde, vi er hvide, vi førlorer side vid side" who's the rock band I wonder? :)

* Anders Johansson [May 11. 2002 00:50]:

On Saturday 11 May 2002 00.45, Jon Clausen wrote:

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What's a 'world-cup'? Something like "Give me a cup big enough, and I'll dip the world in it...(?)" ...sounds like it'd need to be awful big though...

A world cup is what the swedish players will be raising to the skies in about two months time :)

Yeah right, and I'm the Queen of Egypt! You seem to need s/Swedish/Danish/ in the above :-) -- Mads Martin Jørgensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.

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speech..not free beer. You can see the src, do whatever the hell you

I have been thinking about this for a long time, and now I just have to ask

Where is this free beer that everybody is talking about, and can I get some in time for the world cup?

I dunno, but be careful, or you might end up listening to a free speech instead. ;-) -Tim - - -- - - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler tbutler@uninetsolutions.com Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz ============= "Christian Web Services Since 1996" ============== - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE83G2EK37Cns9gJ0gRAoP4AJ9UKcJQ4UCDru6OVzhAQm2EBFxybgCdHHkZ 8eBKvICXoDWlpWxLrParVbs= =SENN - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE83Hb1K37Cns9gJ0gRAhC7AJ0YJ4No8mBH800yjyulr1B9sALT9QCeMgEs K/jWD+CVD4lafcg9LuZ9S4M= =stfS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Again, I will say this is total bullshit. YaST is open source as in free speech..not free beer. You can see the src, do whatever the hell you

You have that mixed up, it is free beer. That is, you can have it for free, but you can't redistribute it in another commercial distribution, or even a non-profit compilation CD like the GNU software CD. Free speech software requires full freedom, free beer software only requires it doesn't cost anything - so a sales-prohibative license would be a free beer license.

want with it sans sell it..so it is open src. It's just not " Hey, take this..change it around a bunch and sell it as something that you've developed."

It is not open source, per any generally accepted meaning of that word. Why can't SuSE and SuSE loyalists admit it is shared source and be done with it? As I've noted (I will make my notes available to any who are interested), OSI - - - clearly the most definative authority on the meaning of OSS - agrees with the FSF on the definition almost down to the letter. Yes, that is right, they AGREE on the meaning, if not the wording.

There is a difference between Open Source and FSF mandated Free Software. Let's get the frell over this once and for all. sheeesh!

As I said, if you are interested, I will show you that the definition of Open Source and Free Software are nearly identitical. There is very little difference. Also, say I could redefine open source to mean only I could see the source (i.e. Shared Source code). That does not mean this new open source will be successful. Open Source has proven to be the best way for dynamic software that doesn't die like non-open source projects do. Notice that while Caldera's Lizard is now floundering under it's proprietary license, the open source older version is finding new and improved uses under the auspices of Lycoris (f/k/a Redmond Linux). The GPL, BSD, and MIT/X license *do* work, and work very well at that - much better then anti-commercial distribution licenses which insure a product dies when it's original coder looses interest (something Open Source was meant to avoid). Notably, even Caldera recognizes this. They have been releasing, for several years now, end-of-life products (DR-DOS, Ancient Unices, etc.) under open source licenses so the products can still benefit someone. Leaving old code under a restrictive license so that it can collect dust benefits no one on either side contrary to popular belief. -Tim - - -- - - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler tbutler@uninetsolutions.com Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz ============= "Christian Web Services Since 1996" ============== - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE83G07K37Cns9gJ0gRAq0KAJsFkQRza7CsrYpiBrcv7G/FnyDGggCgiGsf xTwRQ+JzCtXXw5ReR2/EEPQ= =Im2b - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE83HbqK37Cns9gJ0gRApWFAJ0UQbxHie9dypZ8Cz0d3Nj5IBw2oQCfYmUr fE7bkN8ovnTYHF6LIIDsRIQ= =Nu1l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Don't spread this opinion in the presence of RMS... he'll have you for breakfast. His philosphies on "free software" are very different from most of the "open source" crowd... believe me, I've been at the wrong end of that arguement once before.

- Herman

And make sure you say GNU/Linux.... Matt

On Saturday 11 May 2002 07:05, Ben Rosenberg wrote: Man those poor dead horses sure get it this week... So: SuSE decided to ditch the whole rc.config structure. In the process they decided that adapting YaST to this new situation would be too much work, so they decided to put it to rest. Now, lots of people have expressed unhappiness with that decision. And while I sympathize, I fully understand SuSE's position in this matter. But in reality, what people are missing is basically the bits of YaST1 that work as a combined ftp-client/rpm-frontend... and since someone already posted a solution (just install yast from 7.3, and use it for this purpose) I fail to see the relevance of this discussion. I mean: The debate as to whether or not yast is like speech or beer, is irrelevant. The source is available, and if someone feels the need to rebuild yast so it will handle the new sysconfig structure... they should just go ahead and do it! After all, someone who is about to undertake such an endeavor, is unlikely to start distributing the result, and charge for it... right? Happy coding ;) It's just that, what with all the feedback SuSE's gotten over this, I'm guessing that modules for Yast2 providing just that (ftp/rpm-frontend), will be available to us long before YaST1 ever knows what's in /etc/sysconfig... If anyone feels that this issue is worth ditching SuSE over... well, it's a free world (as in speech, not beer)

I don't care about what others "think" the yast license is. If one doesn't like it..go take RH up on their $10 change offer and lets kill this damn tired ass thread. Myself and many others are so damn tired of it. If one doesn't like it..tough.

My sentiment exactly. This is another dead horse, let the poor thing RIP... Let's start seeing threads like 'YaST1 reconstruction: How does <whatever> do <whatever>' instead... .02 cl free speech Jon Clausen -- .signature ;)

On Saturday 11 May 2002 3:10 am, Matthew Johnson wrote:

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Don't spread this opinion in the presence of RMS... he'll have you for breakfast. His philosphies on "free software" are very different from most of the "open source" crowd... believe me, I've been at the wrong end of that arguement once before.

- Herman

And make sure you say GNU/Linux....

Matt

Do you say genoo as in the animal or G-N-U ie a set of initials ? Mike

michael norman wrote:

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And make sure you say GNU/Linux....

Matt

Do you say genoo as in the animal or G-N-U ie a set of initials ?

Pronounce it like the animal except that the G is not silent: g-noo. I presume that in the Netherlands the animal and organisation are pronouced the same. JDL

On Saturday 11 May 2002 03.42, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

Free speech software requires full freedom, free beer software only requires it doesn't cost anything - so a sales-prohibative license would be a free beer license.

In that case you had better find yourself a better analogy. No definition of free speech in any part of the world allows you to sell other people's words. //Anders

"Timothy R. Butler" [20020510 11:13]:

Whatever the reason, it's sad SuSE promotes their distro under the banner of open source, but are too control hungry with YaST to use the power of open source on their own product.

The only thing you can't do is sell it for money without approval from SuSE, is that too restricting? And I bet you that even if it was GPL, no one would really work on it, given that there would be no support from SuSE. Are *you* going to do the changes necessary to make YaST1 work with 8.0 (rc.config -> /etc/sysconfig, no START_ variables, changed package descriptions etc.) or any following version? Guess where Mozilla or OO would be if the original developers had stopped working on it the moment it was made open source? Of those yelling I haven't seen one single person saying 'I'd like to work on it but only if it was under GPL'. Thus I get the impression that people like you think that only the license needs to be changed to make a YaST1 appear that's adapted to 8.0. Philipp

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The only thing you can't do is sell it for money without approval from SuSE, is that too restricting?

Yes, and OSI and the FSF both agree with me on this one. Enough so that it can't be included on an CD without SuSE's blessing. What a pitty.

And I bet you that even if it was GPL, no one would really work on it, given that there would be no support from SuSE. Are *you* going to do the changes necessary to make YaST1 work with 8.0 (rc.config -> /etc/sysconfig, no START_ variables, changed package descriptions etc.) or any following version? Guess where Mozilla or OO would be if the original developers had stopped working on it the moment it was made open source?

I can't say that I would adapt YaST1, no. However, I would not be surprised if someone took up the task of adapting YaST1 to either SuSE 8.0 or Foobar-dist, or whatever. As I noted with Caldera's Lizard and Lycoris, actually. The main point, I've been making about this for awhile now is this - SuSE has decided to retire YaST1. Many people like YaST1 and would like to continuing using it. Very few people are going to work on code they know can't be redistributed if XY distro decides the work is *really* good. So YaST1 dies. That gains nothing for SuSE, since SuSE has no interest in YaST1, and gains nothing for the users who like YaST1, since it will just become obsolecent - the exact thing open source licenses prevent. From the Open Source Definition, section one ("Free Redistribution"): "The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale." http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition_plain.html

Of those yelling I haven't seen one single person saying 'I'd like to work on it but only if it was under GPL'. Thus I get the impression that people like you think that only the license needs to be changed to make a YaST1 appear that's adapted to 8.0.

Well, I might be inclined to do *something* if it were GPL'ed. Perhaps I'd work on a new set of SuSEconfig scripts to make YaST work directly with config files like I'd like it to, or help with a "YaST.org" web site/public relations or something like that. As it stands, I see no reason to contribute any work concerning a new SuSEconfig interface to YaST or anything else, since my work would go no where. -Tim - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler tbutler@uninetsolutions.com Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz ============= "Christian Web Services Since 1996" ============== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE83Sb6K37Cns9gJ0gRAmZaAJ4thXsj+DA863wrlW4XqP4YDefhjwCfXVvE lNG0WI8YQsmB/N743A2CNXw= =/DIe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Hello all, I've been using SuSE since about version 6.2, which isn't all that venerable, but I've done a number of installations, on a variety of systems. Since I found SuSE, all those versions ago, I haven't wanted to use any other distribution. It's worth noting, however, that I've done a number of test installations with a number of distributions. Few distributions have so consistently installed with the ease of SuSE. On Wed, 08 May 2002 11:15:18 +1000, scsijon-tpg wrote: Apologies if I have misattributed who said this...

:FYI: Why did they remove yast1

There have been occasions when YaST2 could not install SuSE and I had to use YaST. I remember one occasion when I had to use YaST from a previous version to install a then-current version. Why is this important? It was one feature that made SuSE better. It was what made it possible to install SuSE where no other distribution would go. It is the one feature that makes my neighbor, who would otherwise be content to worship at the church of Debian, admit that yes, SuSE has merit, and even use it once in a while. The diversity of tools was a strength. -- David Benfell, LCP benfell@parts-unknown.org --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/resume.html

On Sunday 05 May 2002 10:26, Joost van der Lugt wrote:

* dids [May 04. 2002 03:40]:

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I tried installing the updates for kde3 and got seg fault errors using rpm -Uvh *.rpm

and with kpackage you cant add multiple packages at once

You can install yast from the 7.3 version for this funcionality, see a mail from me in the thread about yast1 from april 28th - for the 'install packages' feature.

Hi. Can you tell me the webaddress for the mailinglist that include this mail from you ??.

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am I missing something really obvious with yast2, can you install new downloaded packages with it ?

dids

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The subject was: Why did they remove yast1? Here goes:

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, it appears to work fine - at least the 'install packages' option which I have tried with KDE3. To install it you will have to move three links out of the way:

I am not sure what you mean "out of the way" ????. What has to be done with the 3 files ?.

/sbin/yast /sbin/YaST /sbin/zast

it then installs fine with a:

rpm -i --nodeps --force yast.rpm

from the 7.3 suse cd, cd 1, directory a1.

Since it runs the SuSeconfig of the original 8.0 install afterwards, I do not see why it wouldn't work fine, since you are basically using it as an ftp client...

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am I missing something really obvious with yast2, can you install new downloaded packages with it ?

dids

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* Erik Jakobsen [May 05. 2002 08:55]:

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The subject was: Why did they remove yast1? Here goes:

Thanks for the reply.

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Yes, it appears to work fine - at least the 'install packages' option which I have tried with KDE3. To install it you will have to move three links out of the way:

I am not sure what you mean "out of the way" ????.

What has to be done with the 3 files ?.

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/sbin/yast /sbin/YaST /sbin/zast

mv /sbin/yast /sbin/yast.bak mv /sbin/YaST /sbin/YaST.bak mv /sbin/zast /sbin/zast.bak now the rpm will install. Note however that SuSE does as of yet not support this oficially, and that all that I have tested is the option in: Package Management --> Install packages to install or update packages, not any other option to configure the system.

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it then installs fine with a:

rpm -i --nodeps --force yast.rpm

from the 7.3 suse cd, cd 1, directory a1.

Since it runs the SuSeconfig of the original 8.0 install afterwards, I do not see why it wouldn't work fine, since you are basically using it as an ftp client...

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am I missing something really obvious with yast2, can you install new downloaded packages with it ?

dids

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How about just using RPM to install RPM's until SuSE can get a module to again do this via ftp and the like? YaST1 just ran 'rpm -Uvh or rpm -ivh' with --nodeps --force to install them and then it ran SuSEconfig. Are we so terribly frightened to do something from an xterm/console? I think that they get it now. This threat has been beaten like a dead horse in the desert. ;) Just use ncftp or gftp..put the RPM's that you download into /tmp as I do and then do this... Upgrades: rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force *.rpm New Installs: rpm -ivh --nodeps --force *.rpm If you want to find out the dependencies of a pkg then leave out the --nodeps and RPM WILL tell you what you need to have the package installed. If you have what it's bitching about then use the two arguements above and it will work fine. You should then run SuSEconfig which will update everything as it normally would. I'm missing YaST1 as well...but damn they will get a work around in place soon. 8.0 is a major change for SuSE in how things are layed out and YaST1 wasn't capable of handling these changes and they didn't have the man power to code new functions in to it. They decided to focus on YaST2. If ya'll wanna bitch about something bitch to feedback@suse.de(com) and get them to support apt4rpm..this would be the best solution. :) Cheers! And don't bother flaming me about this .. because I've just told how I do things most of the time. But then again I'm not afraid of the CLI. ;) Regards, -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. -GC --=====-----=====--

* Ben Rosenberg [May 05. 2002 21:20]:

How about just using RPM to install RPM's until SuSE can get a module to again do this via ftp and the like? YaST1 just ran 'rpm -Uvh or rpm -ivh' with --nodeps --force to install them and then it ran SuSEconfig.

Are we so terribly frightened to do something from an xterm/console? I think that they get it now. This threat has been beaten like a dead horse in the desert. ;)

Just use ncftp or gftp..put the RPM's that you download into /tmp as I do and then do this...

Or just do rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.some.site.com/myrpm.rpm -- Mads Martin Jørgensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.